Fathom Synth Development Thread

[574X]

Realtime time-stretching aka warping, preserving length while changing pitch is an important feature.

The best "slicers" I've used basically do sample chopping for you.

They identify musical phrases and map them to the keyboard, obeying note-offs.

You see the full waveform with the markers on it, and can adjust them.

As for doing it yourself, the best I've found is Reaper's media explorer, where
- you can click on the waveform as it autoplays
- you can select a region and it will auto loop, even while adjusting the selection
- you can right click to use it as a loop or non-destructive chop
- there is a pitch adjustment knob and tempo matching, which is notable at this previewing stage of sampling
- it's designed for samples to be dragged out of the sample player and into the daw, pre-edited as described

Best wishes in developing any features you choose to pursue.

[FathomSynth]

Distorted Horizon, OK I got your requests recorded in the Sampler list. Off topic, it's great to hear from you again here. It's been a while and you were one of the very first Fathom forum posters and testers. I'm always excited to see one of the original crew around here. Jmg8, Tonedef and TJ I believe you are also in this category.

574X, Great feature list for the sampler and slicer.

Everyone on page 191, thanks so much for the Sampler features. I've recorded everything and these requests will each be considered when I design the Sampler.

el-bo, Yes, MPE is planned, but I have not yet decided when. It's been a tough feature to plan for since I really want to do it, but the user base would be less than 10% and features like a Sampler would double the market. But I will really try to work that in.

Jmg8 and TJ, a good discussion on clicking. Based on both your input I think it would be wise to have cross fading in addition to zero point snapping. While zero point snapping gets rid of the obvious clicks it's true that there would still be popping due to the spectral jump so a variable cross fade would be wise and also easy to do.

Tonedef71, I had forgotten about that Talking heads song. I remember when it came out. You're right about the snare in that song, very prominent.

[jmg8]

Hey, don't ever call me Jmb8 again! haha

So about the automatic sampling request.
We went through it in some detail on this forum a while back.
Do you still have notes on this request or do you want me to go through it again?
Just to jog your memory, it was a way to automatically create multisamples from any other synth (use SampleRobot as an example)

Cheers.

[FathomSynth]

Jmg8, Hi. I recorded all the sampler request features from way back.

But, yes, just to be sure, go ahead and post it here again, I seem to recall it would not be hard to do.

[mjudge55]

I’d love to have sample degradation a la SP1200 and other old school samplers - not just a decimator but actual emulation with different sounding artifacts depending on repitching - like in Tal Sampler.

[Musical Gym]

Will the sampler be in Fathom or separate, or both?

[FathomSynth]

mjudge55, OK, I'll look into that.

The sampler will be a higher level of the product and will include all the synth features but not vice versa.

However, price payed for the synth will be subtracted from the price of the sampler.

[bite_me]

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[Distorted Horizon]

Off topic, it's great to hear from you again here. It's been a while and you were one of the very first Fathom forum posters and testers. I'm always excited to see one of the original crew around here.

Jmg8 and TJ, a good discussion on clicking. Based on both your input I think it would be wise to have cross fading in addition to zero point snapping. While zero point snapping gets rid of the obvious clicks it's true that there would still be popping due to the spectral jump so a variable cross fade would be wise and also easy to do.

+1 for cross fades. Will the sampler load audio as stereo or mono? Because if the file is mono, there's no issue with zero points. But when working with stereo, it's kinda rare occasion that both left and right channel would have a zero point at the same point So there'd be a tiny snap anyways from left or right channel. Unless you make that snap independet per channel.. Also a smooth jump/fade from snap point to another sounds much more work than a simple crossfade

[Tj Shredder]

+1 for cross fades. Will the sampler load audio as stereo or mono? Because if the file is mono, there's no issue with zero points. But when working with stereo, it's kinda rare occasion that both left and right channel would have a zero point at the same point So there'd be a tiny snap anyways from left or right channel. Unless you make that snap independet per channel..

If there is a phase align per stereo channel and the sample would be capable of having different loop lengths for each channel, that would create really interesting stereo imaging which will break up that common looping effect. It would be totally unique I think. At least I don't know of any stereo sampler which would allow that...

[NothanUmber]

el-bo, Yes, MPE is planned, but I have not yet decided when. It's been a tough feature to plan for since I really want to do it, but the user base would be less than 10% and features like a Sampler would double the market. But I will really try to work that in.

Oh, that is easy to solve. Get yourself an MPE capable instrument and you will want to start working on MPE support for Fathom the same day (well, if you can glue yourself off from the instrument).

[Whywhy]

+ 1 for Nothan !

[Kalamata Kid]

el-bo, Yes, MPE is planned, but I have not yet decided when. It's been a tough feature to plan for since I really want to do it, but the user base would be less than 10% and features like a Sampler would double the market. But I will really try to work that in.

Oh, that is easy to solve. Get yourself an MPE capable instrument and you will want to start working on MPE support for Fathom the same day (well, if you can glue yourself off from the instrument).

I am hoping that the Sensel Morph (MPE) will have a Black Friday sale.
Normally $300. https://sensel.com/pages/morph

[Distorted Horizon]

+1 for cross fades. Will the sampler load audio as stereo or mono? Because if the file is mono, there's no issue with zero points. But when working with stereo, it's kinda rare occasion that both left and right channel would have a zero point at the same point So there'd be a tiny snap anyways from left or right channel. Unless you make that snap independet per channel..

If there is a phase align per stereo channel and the sample would be capable of having different loop lengths for each channel, that would create really interesting stereo imaging which will break up that common looping effect. It would be totally unique I think. At least I don't know of any stereo sampler which would allow that...

You mean that for example right channel loop would be 1,36 seconds long and left channel loop would be 1,40 seconds long (because of the snap points).. That left channel would play 0,04 seconds faster so the loop would be seamless?

Or do you mean that they'd play at the same speed and that other channel just would play more and more behind until retriggered?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

el-bo, Yes, MPE is planned, but I have not yet decided when. It's been a tough feature to plan for since I really want to do it, but the user base would be less than 10% and features like a Sampler would double the market. But I will really try to work that in.

Good to know it's at least on the cards