Are Todays Daw's Making People Lazy Producers ?

[IncarnateX]

We are doomed

Some cherrypicking there but we know he is right already, so never mind the research.

[EnochLight]

i said rock music had evolved. there was no inference it had become hip hop or electronic. in fact i even suggested seeking out post-rock which is guitars drums and singers (although predominantly a style that is instrumental)

it is rock music. that is being produced in large numbers. today. so evidently rock lives. maybe not the rock you enjoy. but it's rock.

I enjoy all music. I stopped being a music snob a long time ago - there’s just too much good stuff out there (contrary to what the old timers would have you believe).

Would it make everyone feel better if I said “the vast majority of what people listen to today is NOT rock music (as evidenced by the top 10 songs for the past decade)”?

[vurt]

i said rock music had evolved. there was no inference it had become hip hop or electronic. in fact i even suggested seeking out post-rock which is guitars drums and singers (although predominantly a style that is instrumental)

it is rock music. that is being produced in large numbers. today. so evidently rock lives. maybe not the rock you enjoy. but it's rock.

I enjoy all music. I stopped being a music snob a long time ago - there’s just too much good stuff out there (contrary to what the old timers would have you believe).

Would it make everyone feel better if I said “the vast majority of what people listen to today is NOT rock music (as evidenced by the top 10 songs for the past decade)”?

it's not about feeling better. it's about making a statement which is either true or false.
rock is dead is false.
the longer statement could well be true. but given the numbers it takes to get a number one these past few years, im not sure how much of a majority it actually is. nor do i care.

[IncarnateX]

Rock’n roll is holy ground. It should be kept out of any discussion about pop or charts. We are talking about denim and leather, beers, rocks chicks and Iron Maiden t-shirts aren’t we? Or am I too far away in the past? Then 90s chrunch maybe, but what really happended then? Is there such thing as rock today that is not really of yesterday? Anyway, if you merge rock into pop discussions, you are blurring the lines yourself. Sacrilege.

[Delta Sign]

If everything around you seems to be getting worse in the world, maybe take a look inside for a minute.

Just saying.

[vurt]

well maiden are still selling out huge arenas. so while they may be of the past they're hardly forgotten.

[donkey tugger]

well maiden are still selling out huge arenas. so while they may be of the past they're hardly forgotten.

Death to false metel. There is Slayer, and then there are the others.

[harryupbabble]

In Depeche Mode's case, the sequence of evolvement is synth music then guitar music. Are Depeche Mode doing synth music again? Did the synth crowd deemed Depeche Mode traitors when they used guitars? Everything is temporary but it seems guitar music is the only type of music that keeps coming back. Oh wait no, synth music has done that also? Georgio Neworder brought back synth music when he collaborated with Donna Summers and Blondie.

Even when the punks (Sex Pistols) tried to replace gigantic rock (Led Zeppelin) and prog rock (Yes), the punks used guitar music to do it. Nirvana is guitar music and it replaced hair metal music but hair metal music also used guitars. What will replace today's music? Guitar music is my guess, if the pattern persists.

Maybe the future replacements will always be synth music and guitar music. Maybe it's like the political parties down south. Always red and blue. Taking turns, decade after decade. Century after century. Meanwhile, Greensleeves will always be there, it seems. Alas, my love. Oh wait, that doesn't make sense. Alas, my love? What the fornication? Nevermind.

[THE INTRANCER]

Other the state of the music scene over the decades which has been discussed, there has always been one thing in the back of my own mind over the past 8 or so years in that hardware manufacturers have cut lumps of their keyboards in terms of the amount of keys they provide, and tacked on with a bunch of knobs. For example 25 key keyboards... If you grew up in the 1980's and 1990's, you would struggle to find any keyboards unless they were toy keyboards from Casio or Yamaha which were designed for 5 to 10 year old's with that number keys. Even 49 key midi / non midi keyboards, were in the sub £100 price barrier in the mid 1990's, reserved for those learning.

With keyboards that have such limited range of self playing expression that one would have with keyboards that have 61 keys and what I'd consider the minimum amount of keys for dynamic freedom and learning to play... it could be said that has impeded the potential of the music they have made, by not learning to play properly, and that of which they have been able to create with any DAW. 25 key keyboards, might have their place as a triggering device to save space, but it wouldn't be something I'd provide or recommend for those learning to play....Sure you might be to learn the skills to navigate up and down a keyboard with 32 or or 48 keys, but even as a 17 year old many moons ago... that lower amount of keys felt restricting....

Here's the Yamaha PSR330, with 61 full size keys I bought in 1996...and used with my Amiga 1200 and Octamed Sound Studio... (lacking a pitch bend wheel was a bummer I felt... which is one of the reasons I bought a Yamaha DJX 61 keyboard about a year later.

I guess the other aspect, is not just the DAW, but what people are using with the DAW as an input device to be able to provide the full expression of what one is able to create.

[vurt]

Other the state of the music scene over the decades which has been discussed,

which isn't as bad as people think.
is popular chart music shite? yes, mostly.
are there some great musicians out there making great music? yes.

the two don't cancel each other out.

61 keys? lightweight.

[AnX]

well maiden are still selling out huge arenas. so while they may be of the past they're hardly forgotten.

Death to false metel. There is Slayer, and then there are the others.

[THE INTRANCER]

the two don't cancel each other out.

61 keys? lightweight.

I didn't say they did..., I was raising the point of a direct correlation to what's been produced and with what's been used to produce it.

Sure there are bigger keyboards more keys than 61, but that's the minimum I think anyone looking to learn or use in any practical sense should look for when choosing a keyboard and to not feel restricted in practical playing range.

[donkey tugger]

well maiden are still selling out huge arenas. so while they may be of the past they're hardly forgotten.

Death to false metel. There is Slayer, and then there are the others.

I do quite like that song.

[vurt]

the two don't cancel each other out.

61 keys? lightweight.

I didn't say they did..., I was raising the point of a direct correlation to what's been produced and with what's been used to produce it.

but you cant know what was used to produce it. without specifying what "it" is.
its no good just to say "modern music" because theres plenty of modern music that uses neither keys nor virtual instruments, bigger key boards, vis using mouse input and so on...

or are you too lazy to be more specific?

[EnochLight]

Other the state of the music scene over the decades which has been discussed,

which isn't as bad as people think.

Right - we most certainly agree on this point!

is popular chart music shite? yes, mostly.

Said every old timer ever...

are there some great musicians out there making great music? yes.

the two don't cancel each other out.

What's great about today is that not only is there a ton of great music out there, it's never been easier to find and consume it. I wasted SOOOOO much money on buying crappy music back in the day because most record stores didn't have a "try before you buy" policy.

The Internet and digital distribution has changed everything, and I embrace it 100%.