Are Todays Daw's Making People Lazy Producers ?

[vurt]

Seems like some «producers» have so much time on their hands, that they can write long, tedious, wannabe-academic discussions with no new information, on topics that have been beaten to death 2.8 billion times.

Maybe it’s their efficient DAW workflow.

whatever it is, its also proof theyre not lazy.
/end thread.

[jancivil]

"with no new information". LOL. Yeah, there's going to be new information on the opinionated 'DAW's making people lazy producers' or any of the opinions.

Seems like "some people" (wait, no, I mean BMoore specifically) can't really find it appropriate to engage any ideas, like ever, but wander about the forum looking for a shot to talk smack about what people do in a thread or in their life. This one seems as desperate and dull as it ever is, 'new information' regarding some opinions as though that provides a hook.

[jancivil]

In case that seems ironic, I'm deliberately reflecting back 'seems like... this is what you do with your life'.
Thank you for your concern, "B"

i am so starting a band called " Vapid Umbrella " ...

I'm going to need 10% of that action.

I wondered about the whole sound of that, or the kind of failure of sense of that modifier for that metaphor but I went with it anyway.
I pondered if 'vapid' was related to 'vapor', stuff like that.


I am procrastinating and I'm also in quite some discomfort so I have a laptop in my bed for the last couple days talking shit. Academic pretense, sure go with that. The whole routine there, "B", seems lazy af to me though.

[THE INTRANCER]

I noticed a couple of pages down, some views and perspectives from long timers who rarely post here usually, so I thought was refreshing for change...Worth picking up on those...Jancivil....I'll probably pick up on them tomorrow some time..

Obligatory: Casio SK1 advert..

That's a blast from the past, I'm not sure if I did or didn't see that advert for the keyboard back in the day for that keyboard...my brain is telling me that I did weirdly... but I don't trust it...

OT, Right now I'm watching some TV, watching Blender Today and seeing what GUI improvements were made to 2.8, whilst simultaneously waiting for a 4 hour render of a 3D animation to finish in C4D, I can't make music with Studio One 3.5 due to CPU load, but I can practice my piano keyboard playing with my external synths..as I was doing earlier...or watch some sci-fi horror film..as I do more 3D modelling

[jancivil]

One could make the argument that those who have studied music and production, are technically the more lazy ones. You see, they draw on what they were spoon fed in their courses and just simply drip-filter that classical bollocks out into the DAW like it is second nature. All the while never truly being tested anymore, as one epic score/production blends into the next. Whilst those without that background in theory have to work harder to overcome their own lack of knowledge and musical limitations to create next weeks banger.

While this seems ironic...

I think there are people who have a lot of facility from their training and, combined with the instinct to make a living at writing music, have found a way to sound right for that kind of gig consistently. I personally abhor that kind of film music and approach. And I wasn't going for the whole ride in school anyway, because about in the middle of it I knew I was going to venture away from conventionality. And the one person I had a real conversation about it with was an original composer already by 18; the thing for a serious composer was to be an explorer and stake out their own ground.
So I will have failed to become that glib and facile hack by nature, by an inherent disposition to things anyway. For instance, I didn't want to be taught composition.

Beyond that I don't know what it's like to be spoon-fed. I did the exercises and took the examinations.
The theory we had was mostly harmony, working out the harmony to a figured bass w. one line provided.
In a certain sense, I considered this kind of a trade school m.o. However, knowing how to do Common Practice Paradigm techniques in no way amounts to a necessity to write it in your own work, it's just tools of the trade.

The giants of 20th century music are all grounded in the techniques through the centuries. Some more than others, I would guess.

I'm just guessing about the people who crank out conventional music for cues in films as well. I don't know any of them, I never hung out with anyone like that. I'm not sure of the ironic intent vs directness of that post, either.

I will have failed to be that sort of musician as I construct it in my imagination. I failed in myriad ways. The thing in school I found was quite unlike "drip-filter that classical bollocks out into..." (or onto the page in those days), to begin with. I can't imagine the teachers I had any awareness of finding that acceptable in the least.
You have to have shown more to have a composition major as far as I could tell. I wasn't, except for electronic music lab and that was not very hands-on to say the least. Maybe there are schools to crank out hacks like that, I wouldn't know.

So if not ironic that looks like a straw man tack. It strikes me though, that 'next week's banger' is 'funny'. If one is getting it done in a week, that seems like a breeze to me.

But for a new, original work, it takes me a month to do anything (I've done covers inside a week, and I've done a job in 24 hours) because I may have ideas I have not yet explored, and I develop techniques for it as it comes. The approach here is I don't know, I'm going to look around and grab things out of the margins.

[jancivil]

However, I do think one should be able to improvise and make sense in real time, or bust, basically.

[Aloysius]

TL;DR

[THE INTRANCER]

(I've done covers inside a week, and I've done a job in 24 hours) because I may have ideas I have not yet explored, and I develop techniques for it as it comes.

Kinda funny, I set myself a challenge to produce a track in one day, I did it in just 8 hours (Christmas Eve 2016, the original is on my soundcloud play list). Earlier this year, I decided to remix and polish it up, and decided to make a video for it for fun.

[jancivil]

Yes, adults are listening to music for children, "tweens" and adolescents and acting as if that music is for adults. Same with TV and film.

Music itself doesn't define who the music is for though,

I'd argue against that - we know that (vocal) music is used across all cultures to inculcate newborns and children into the language and social norms of the parent culture. It is a special type of music with particular properties that can be easily measured and if that special type of music is then maintained throughout the lifespan by (in our case) commercial interests then we can say that adults are being infantilised in their musical preferences. That is, people are being denied adult experiences with music because the social space of music crowds out an adult experience - ie people are being infantilised without knowing any better.

I had not drawn that line so directly. This makes a certain sense. The singsongy major key uber alles has more and more reminded me of the nursery rhyme. The ...compactness, and the circular nature.

Anyway...
this peaked at #20 on 10.19.1968

[jancivil]

If you need more than one cymbal to get it done you're no account

[BMoore]

TL;DR

You should. Lots of great, new, information.

[Aloysius]

After reading some of the other comments, I was feeling a bit lazy.

[BMoore]

You need to change your DAW then.

[vurt]

or start taking amphetamine.

[Aloysius]

Vurt, don't you think it's about time you changed your socks?