Roland Cloud

[rubez]

has ANYONE gotten their "yours" VST after 12 months?

that's two years this has been running? and haven't heard of a single person.......

No.
I have been a member for over a year + have a year of membership now too since i pay for one year in advance and not received any offers at all.

i guess you need to use it for 12 months all in before getting a free VST so that by that time roland cloud will become indispensable to you and you keep on subbing. that would be the plan anyway i assume.

obviously being a member means jack unless you're a paying member.

you haven't got 12 months usage under your belt no?

i would pay upfront if they gave the VST right away and never look at the cloud again...

seems very suspicious there's been zero people with their free VST yet. surely there's been many people with concurrent or accumulative 12 months use by now....

[D-Fusion]

I have been a member of the Roland cloud for over a year (Since middle of March 2017).

[rubez]

I have been a member of the Roland cloud for over a year (Since middle of March 2017).

WTF... so is this a scam? seems they are holding back at least.

why don't you email and ask what the score is?

i am very curious about it all. i assume the VST would still be tied to the cloud?

last time i emailed support they ignored me (didn't like my question i guess) so i'm not terribly encouraged by the whole thing. that actually put me off subscribing.

[D-Fusion]

I have been a member of the Roland cloud for over a year (Since middle of March 2017).

WTF... so is this a scam? seems they are holding back at least.

why don't you email and ask what the score is?

i am very curious about it all. i assume the VST would still be tied to the cloud?

last time i emailed support they ignored me (didn't like my question i guess) so i'm not terribly encouraged by the whole thing. that actually put me off subscribing.

I have asked and complained many times but always get a generic boring answer that they don't discuss future products or options.

So if and when it happens i would get to choose 3 or 4 Fullversions i guess.

[Gamma-UT]

I have asked and complained many times but always get a generic boring answer that they don't discuss future products or options.

So if and when it happens i would get to choose 3 or 4 Fullversions i guess.

They are telling new users it's not a future thing but happening now. Apparently if you sign up now you enrol in a program called YOURS and you build up points in it. So, they're lying to you or lying to the people signing up now. Or both.

https://www.rolandcloud.com/yours-loyalty-program

EDIT: Having fed the home-page URL to the Wayback Machine, they've been telling people they would be signed up to the YOURS programme for at least a year (I went back to October 2017 and didn't bother to check further). So, that is pretty misleading at best. Is there some small print that lets them wriggle out of this or are they relying on the FAQ answer which basically says it's happening soon and when it does, things will be awarded retroactively?

[PAK]

EDIT: Having fed the home-page URL to the Wayback Machine, they've been telling people they would be signed up to the YOURS programme for at least a year (I went back to October 2017 and didn't bother to check further).

As I previously wrote, Google first indexed the Roland YOURS page on 30th May 2017.

I think everyone just assumes, because a big name like Roland is backing it, they will eventually pull through at some stage. But, given the amount of time, you'd have to be pretty charitable not to say that it's more than disappointing, if not shoddy.

Needless too. I'd sub 2 years for the D-50 and JD-800, and the recent improvements to the System 8 synth might even see me do a third year for that, and I might do a fourth just to have the 106 plugin. So I think they're starting to gain enough depth that, even for those of us who want the ownership, they'll get at least a few years out of many of us, and more when they continue to add and improve products (EG I think VSynth and even the JP8000 would hook many for at least another 2 years.)

[Gamma-UT]

As I previously wrote, Google first indexed the Roland YOURS page on 30th May 2017.

Sorry, I've tuned in late partly because I was having another look at the offering and thinking "maybe it's worth a punt".

I think everyone just assumes, because a big name like Roland is backing it, they will eventually pull through at some stage. But, given the amount of time, you'd have to be pretty charitable not to say that it's more than disappointing, if not shoddy.

As it's a joint venture (and I think I wrote this early on) my biggest concern would be Roland pulling the plug rather than them not coming through with the permanent licences - though if they continue to drag their feet on this, it would be annoying. I suspect they would have to keep the cloud running to support even permanent licences without major changes, which could make the permanent option not very permanent.

However, overall that's impetus to print tracks using the synths early and often rather than giving it the swerve completely - if the offering is right. I'm on the fence because I've got other stuff to use and adding even more isn't the brightest idea.

...I think VSynth and even the JP8000 would hook many for at least another 2 years.)

VSynth would push me over into signing up I think. D-50 and JV-1080 are tempting but...not...quite...enough.

[beely]

I honestly can't think why they would announce this policy, and still not have it implemented well over a year later.

They seem committed to the policy as the info is in their FAQ and seems reasonably well thought through. Given that they seemingly could implement this using the current authentication reasonably easily, the fact that it's taken soooo long would suggest what? They are building a completely new protection method which would support this better, and it's been harder to do than expected?

I honestly can't think of many other reasons which would explain this. Legal wranglings with Roland? I would have thought they'd have this agreed by all parties before announcing it, so it doesn't seem likely. Other priorities taking up development time? Well, the people writing the plugins aren't the people doing the web site and Cloud Manager apps. They did rebuild the Cloud Manager app, and the website gets minor updates as new plugins get released, but this doesn't seem a likely explanation either.

I wonder if some people contacted them, and said "Ok, my subscription accrued 12 months and I want to claim my Yours plugin, and to stop my paid subscription now. Please sort that out" what they would do? Say "sorry, although you have the credits, we can't give you the plugin yet", or gift you additional free months of subscription to cover your use of your Yours plugin until they launch the program? Has anyone done this?

It's all rather weird...

[VariKusBrainZ]

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Who is 'they' ?

[cytospur]

I think the sentiment is probably there, but they haven't found a satisfactory way of doing it, i.e., the boardroom idea was sent out publicly before consulting the coders!

[beely]

Who is 'they' ?

"Roland Cloud", which is a brand/company formed by the partnership of Roland, and Virtual Sonics. Effectively, Roland make the plugins, Virtual Sonics do the website, the flavr instruments and cloud services.

https://www.rolandcloud.com/about

[VariKusBrainZ]

Who is 'they' ?

"Roland Cloud", which is a brand/company formed by the partnership of Roland, and Virtual Sonics. Effectively, Roland make the plugins, Virtual Sonics do the website, the flavr instruments and cloud services.

https://www.rolandcloud.com/about

Thanks for clarifying

[Orbit-50]

I think the sentiment is probably there, but they haven't found a satisfactory way of doing it, i.e., the boardroom idea was sent out publicly before consulting the coders!

That's exactly what I'm thinking. They want to do it, but it's taking a little longer than they thought trying to figure exactly what route they are going to take, so as to avoid making it easily available to all the losers that will try to torrent their software. They should go with a Syncrosoft or iLok copy protection scheme if it is cost effective enough for their taste, or better yet invest in making their own Roland hardware key sort of like what Propellerhead did with Reason. Either way, I really don't give a crap whether I own any of them or not, because as a whole package, it's worth every bit that they're asking just for the subscription. My only wish is that they would make the Roland Cloud software just a little bit more flexible as far as installation is concerned.

[fmr]

They should go with a Syncrosoft or iLok copy protection scheme if it is cost effective enough for their taste, or better yet invest in making their own Roland hardware key sort of like what Propellerhead did with Reason. Either way, I really don't give a crap whether I own any of them or not, because as a whole package, it's worth every bit that they're asking just for the subscription. My only wish is that they would make the Roland Cloud software just a little bit more flexible as far as installation is concerned.

Propellerhead didn't do any key. The key (and copy protection) they are using is from Wibu Systems, the same protection used by Magix in Samplitude Pro (before the current one): https://www.wibu.com/

Personally, I find it the worst of the three dongle based, from the user perspective. Regarding the use of a dongle, one of the good things f Roland Cloud is that we can use it in several computers. If they go through the dongle path, we would be confined to a single computer (unless we carry the key with us) which I would not like. If they decide to go with a dongle, at least I hope they do that just for the permanent licenses and keep the subscription-based authorization as it is right now.

And I agree with you. The subscription value currently is very good.

[AdvancedFollower]

I think the sentiment is probably there, but they haven't found a satisfactory way of doing it, i.e., the boardroom idea was sent out publicly before consulting the coders!

This may well be the case, but is it legal to advertise a product you don't have?
https://www.rolandcloud.com/yours-loyalty-program