FL Studio 5, when?

[SecondSkin]

Maybe he means like an auto-quantizing function??

I wonder if he realizes that 1/4 step resolution actually is 1/64????

1/4 x 1/16 = 1/64

Math is tough for crunkmakers...

[dexters lab]

Maybe he means like an auto-quantizing function??

I wonder if he realizes that 1/4 step resolution actually is 1/64????

1/4 x 1/16 = 1/64

Math is tough for crunkmakers...

oh my god your so smart maybe one day i'll grow down and be like you!!!

anyways somebody did figure out what i was "trying" to get at ..... but never mind .....

wheres the crunk makers at though? i wanna throw beer at em?

[Anonymous Shadow]

I have one gripe about fruity, and synapse. Fruity will not render the synth bundle from synapse (hydra, plucked, scorpion) properly!

Can you expand on that a bit? I actually use Hydra and Scorpion quite often and I haven't noticed this, which means that something is probably going on

Well, when I render a song with Hydra, Scorpion or Plucked, there are missed notes in the song. I've noticed this back when I used Anamark as well. You use fruity right? I've tried everything, and have rendered many songs, and these are the only instruments that do this. They're nice sounding synths, but they are too annoying to use. I usually end up recording them straight from playback, which sucks. I contacted synapse, but they say there is nothing they can do, and said to get in contact with Gol. I contacted Yuji Miyane from Groovecube about the previously FL faulted Exciton, and he fixed the problem within a week, less than a week. ?????

[forma]

I'm very sad to find out that Fruity Studio, for now at least, will not support DSP powered plugins because of its "variable buffer sizes", so i have a few questions about this to gol or the other fruity dudes Oh btw, i know of the beta3 wrapper but its not a real fix, just a better way to handle them, not a true fix.

1) Can i ask why this method was used in the first place instead of fixed buffers, was it a beneficial feature at the time and now, with the changes over the years in audio and plugins, is it now becoming a hindrance or is it still, in your opinion a good call for fruity to use variable buffer sizes.

2) What’s the basic differences as to why Cubase, Logic, Samplitude can handle Powercore and EMU Power FX perfectly and Fruity Studio cannot?

3) Is it possible to make it work like it does in the above hosts or is fruity based on a totally different approach that would mean rewriting fundamental (and a massive amount) of the code.

4) Is the fruity architecture doomed to never support DSP effects properly or is it a feature that 100% can become reality with some work from you guys

I realize these questions overlap each other in terms of the answers but i think all the 4 questions are subtly different and would cover the whole scenario of this problem with DSP cards so no more question should need to follow (hahaha you know they will though)

Thanks!

[Kennic]

I think FL Studio should have designed a Guitar Roll - for Guitar composing. I need that.

[digitalstasis]

I realize these questions overlap each other in terms of the answers but i think all the 4 questions are subtly different and would cover the whole scenario of this problem with DSP cards so no more question should need to follow (hahaha you know they will though)
Thanks!

For what i know the beta wrapper already solve this issues (with an option to use fixed buffers, for choosen plugs). The question would rather be why does some hosts and plugs have to work in a fixed buffer size, ie don't comply with vst standart.

For me there's in FL a choice: to get the most out of the exact daw standarts (vts mainly) and any compliant (normal, self builded, not too specialized by addon cards) computer. I don't want to put a mac in my pc, if you see what i mean

[forma]

it doesn't 100% fix it and unless new information arises here i don't think it will for a long time. The beta wrapper just makes things work a little better and even then you have to use seriously low latencies. who know, perhaps once out of beta it'll work flawlessly but Reflex, who i think wrote the beta wrapper has already stated that this wrapper will just makes the buffer problem less pronounced, it doesn't solve it under all situations, if any at all 100%.

Regarding you comment on why you wouldn't like to use a dsp card, well, it depends on how many effects you like or need to run to get a certain quality of sound. I like to work real time, i don't bounce any audio and you can imagine that once your track gets complicated you need as much cpu as possible. I estimate needing as much as 3 times the power i have now to be able to work without limitation with vst/vst-i software currently available and as pc's get closer to this power it's most likley the plugins will become more sophisticated and therefore use up more cycles per plugin meaning once ours pc's are 3 times more powerfull than todays top of the range i'll probably still be complaining. I need a Powercore and i'm sad to think of having to leave fruity untill this is fixed and moving to something else

[warbug]

i swear one of those is a pic of woman. if so ill buy FL 5

[SQ4]

Yeah, and her name is completely Tutti JLO fruity, or something like that

[xg2]

gol would rather it be called 4.6.1 and not 5.0.

If it were up to Gol, FL Studio would probably be at version 1.738 as he doesn't really care about the marketing/commercial/... aspect of the whole (that's where the rest of us come in).

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

Will you be giving FL Studio 5 a new name so you can get out of the 'Lifetime Free Upgrades' yet again?

[xg2]

[quote="dexters lab]

don't know if the future holds a complete write over of the FL Studio Sequencer? i don't know but IMHO
Fruity Loops should of kept it's original name untill the day came that the sequencer was re-written and then re-named as FL STUDIO you could of still sold both.

[/quote]

They couldn't keep the original name because they would have had to keep to their fake 'Lifetime Free 'Upgrades'' deal...

I was going to buy Fruity Loops before they renegged on this deal - obviously there's no point in offering 'lifetime free upgrades' if all they are going to do is rename the software every time they actually add something 'earth shattering' to it - so perhaps the FL staff can explain exactly what the fake 'lifetime free upgrades' actually refer to?

Something like this, probably: "Any minor changes to the program you actually paid for, including bug fixes, but NOT including any really useful updates like recording audio, or anything else that you might actually think was really useful".

In other words, there are no lifetime free UPGRADES, only lifetime free BUGFIXES.

If they weren't so dishonest about all of this I'd be a Fruity fan right now. Why pretend to offer something you're never going to deliver?
It's rather like 'unlimited broadband' having a cap on how many hours you can use it a day - a blatant lie.

[fxe]

[quote="dexters lab]

don't know if the future holds a complete write over of the FL Studio Sequencer? i don't know but IMHO
Fruity Loops should of kept it's original name untill the day came that the sequencer was re-written and then re-named as FL STUDIO you could of still sold both.

They couldn't keep the original name because they would have had to keep to their fake 'Lifetime Free 'Upgrades'' deal...

I was going to buy Fruity Loops before they renegged on this deal - obviously there's no point in offering 'lifetime free upgrades' if all they are going to do is rename the software every time they actually add something 'earth shattering' to it - so perhaps the FL staff can explain exactly what the fake 'lifetime free upgrades' actually refer to?

Something like this, probably: "Any minor changes to the program you actually paid for, including bug fixes, but NOT including any really useful updates like recording audio, or anything else that you might actually think was really useful".

In other words, there are no lifetime free UPGRADES, only lifetime free BUGFIXES.

If they weren't so dishonest about all of this I'd be a Fruity fan right now. Why pretend to offer something you're never going to deliver?
It's rather like 'unlimited broadband' having a cap on how many hours you can use it a day - a blatant lie.[/quote]

Bullshit

Do some research and you'll find you get lifetime free updates to what you paid for be it producer edition or fruityloops edition.

[elhefe23]

But they are selling both. There are three versions of FL. Express, Fruityloops, and Producer edition. They are all fruity loops but different names. All versions have updates for life. Imageline decided what updates people receive for each of those versions. I was an owner of the full version of fruityloops and upgraded to FLStudio Producer edition because I wanted to be able to record audio natively. To me that is a big step up from fruityloops and I was happy to pay the extra $50. BTW, what problems do you have with the sequencer besides loop record?

They couldn't keep the original name because they would have had to keep to their fake 'Lifetime Free 'Upgrades'' deal...

It was because many people thought the name was lame and unprofessional.

[Cabinfever]

i think thats just part of the danger of any company saying something is "unlimited" or "forever" - eventually things change, developments happen that they didn't forsee and then they're in trouble....

fruity is a great app. loads of great stuff in it.

sure the lack of loop recording drives me nuts, but then lack of a "wrap remainder" render in orion also drives me nuts. it means neither is a perfect loop-making app.

but i also can't help but think that the best days of fruity are behind us. the real fire of innovation seems to have gone out of the app.

the sequencer "zeitgeist" has moved on. fruity is no longer the trailblazer.

apps like ableton, xt, & traktion seem to be doing all the ground-breaking stuff. fruity is just getting little tinkering additions.

i don't this is just a "mature app" situation. ableton was mature and then came the innovations of v4 and it just moved onto the next level. its now a challenger to the big names.

fruity isn't.

the fruity team reminds me a popular dictatorial regime:

- they swept into power and popularity with some great ideas
- the great ideas have stopped and now they just throw a few crumbs out from time to time
- they now have contempt for the people that put them into power
- they think they are 100% in control of everything, the typical delusion of a once-popular regime

note how they disappeared from here once loop recording was mentioned ? imagine the early days - of course there would have been a response; a robust discussions; ideas back & forward.

you think of some of the energised young developers around here - williamk for example - would he ignore a giant thread full of requests and discussion on his apps ? of course not.

and that is why fruity is already on a long, slow road to oblivion.

[fxe]

note how they disappeared from here once loop recording was mentioned ? imagine the early days - of course there would have been a response; a robust discussions; ideas back & forward.

No,They disappeared from this thread when people got rude and started with personal attacks.