Toneboosters Morphit - NEW headphones improvement, simulation and customization plugin
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
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Hey guys, it was a serious question
- KVRian
- 698 posts since 7 Dec, 2009 from GWB
https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic, ... 6khhesnu91fluffy_little_something wrote:So, how do those plugins work? What's the logic?
Also this:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=495120&p=6935567#p6935567
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- KVRian
- 707 posts since 29 Dec, 2016 from India
just put it in the monitoring FX and forget the restfluffy_little_something wrote:So, how do those plugins work? What's the logic?
First I put it on the master track and mix everything so that it sounds great on the headphones. Then I turn the plugin off and export to wav or whatever?
just dont forget to put a loudness meter in the master (not the monitoring)
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- KVRist
- 62 posts since 6 Sep, 2016
Still no Samson SR850... Guess what? I'm happy with Sonarworks.
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Obsolete236871 Obsolete236871 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=236871
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Interesting plugin for mixing with headphones it seems.
One question though: On the product website of Morphit it's stated that the target sound is a neutral studio sound. So it balances the individual headphone frequency response in a way that the frequency response becomes neutral and you get a more objective representation of the audio material, right?
But then it's also mentioned that Morphit also includes the Harman headphone target curves, which don't seem to be based on a neutral, flat frequency response.
Does that mean that we can choose between a neutral and objective "studio-grade" representation and other, less neutral output variants for reference purposes?
Is there a demo available by the way?
One question though: On the product website of Morphit it's stated that the target sound is a neutral studio sound. So it balances the individual headphone frequency response in a way that the frequency response becomes neutral and you get a more objective representation of the audio material, right?
But then it's also mentioned that Morphit also includes the Harman headphone target curves, which don't seem to be based on a neutral, flat frequency response.
Does that mean that we can choose between a neutral and objective "studio-grade" representation and other, less neutral output variants for reference purposes?
Is there a demo available by the way?
- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
I use Sonarworks but they don't have a profile for my Stax SR407's. They also said they never will due to issues with profiling an electro-stat. But Morphit does (for the 207 which is close enough), so I bought it. The Sonarworks and Morphit AKG 240 mk2 profiles are very similar but not exact, FYI.
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- KVRAF
- 2063 posts since 14 Sep, 2004 from $HOME
Wondering about the Beyerdynamic DT1990 Pro in Morphit. Those cans have two sets of ear pieces, one which is supposed to be more "hifi" and one that is supposed to be more neutral (I only use that one). Which ones were used for the one Morphit Profile? The correction curve seems rather drastic.
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- KVRer
- 24 posts since 29 Nov, 2004
the note says balanced, so I'm assuming that's referring to the ear pad typefese wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:46 pm Wondering about the Beyerdynamic DT1990 Pro in Morphit. Those cans have two sets of ear pieces, one which is supposed to be more "hifi" and one that is supposed to be more neutral (I only use that one). Which ones were used for the one Morphit Profile? The correction curve seems rather drastic.
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- KVRer
- 2 posts since 17 Sep, 2021
I am using MORPHIT with Beyerdynamic DT880s.
I bought these headphones after reading various reviews that described them as having a near flat response, ideal for mixing and mastering.
I haven't had them long but I have mixed and mastered a song with them (without MORPHIT) and found the result translates quite well on monitors.
I listened to the same song with MORPHIT set to the DT880 profile and the difference is huge!
There is a lot more EQ to neutralise the sound than I would have expected considering the DT880s reputation for accuracy and I wonder how accurate the DT880s actually are without it.
With MORPHIT, the midrange is largely unchanged while there is a lot more bass and a lot less treble.
The sound is much more pleasing to my ears and my song sounds richer in the lows and much less harsh at the top end.
I'm tempted to use MORPHIT for all my mixing and mastering now, but am I fooling myself?
How do I know that this sound is more accurate than without MORPHIT and not just a flattering effect caused by increased bass and treble cut?
Would a similar effect be produced by using headphones with a greater bass response and less top end in the first place?
I avoided buying headphones with extended bass because I didn't want to have bass light mixes and I wanted the most accurate sound possible on a limited budget.
I understand that the important thing about mixing and mastering is to use the same headphones and monitors all the time and to get used to their sound, regardless of how flat their frequency response.
Given that theory, I will always choose to use MORPHIT because my music sounds so much better to me with it.
I might be overthinking this..
I bought these headphones after reading various reviews that described them as having a near flat response, ideal for mixing and mastering.
I haven't had them long but I have mixed and mastered a song with them (without MORPHIT) and found the result translates quite well on monitors.
I listened to the same song with MORPHIT set to the DT880 profile and the difference is huge!
There is a lot more EQ to neutralise the sound than I would have expected considering the DT880s reputation for accuracy and I wonder how accurate the DT880s actually are without it.
With MORPHIT, the midrange is largely unchanged while there is a lot more bass and a lot less treble.
The sound is much more pleasing to my ears and my song sounds richer in the lows and much less harsh at the top end.
I'm tempted to use MORPHIT for all my mixing and mastering now, but am I fooling myself?
How do I know that this sound is more accurate than without MORPHIT and not just a flattering effect caused by increased bass and treble cut?
Would a similar effect be produced by using headphones with a greater bass response and less top end in the first place?
I avoided buying headphones with extended bass because I didn't want to have bass light mixes and I wanted the most accurate sound possible on a limited budget.
I understand that the important thing about mixing and mastering is to use the same headphones and monitors all the time and to get used to their sound, regardless of how flat their frequency response.
Given that theory, I will always choose to use MORPHIT because my music sounds so much better to me with it.
I might be overthinking this..
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Here's what Sonarworks shows as the frequency response for the DT880's...
https://www.sonarworks.com/soundid-refe ... iew/#build
Is Morphit's profile on par with that? That's honestly about what I'd expect for $225 open-back headphones. Not a huge bass bump, but not with a totally flat frequency response.
Try a few mixes with Morphit on. Try a few mixes with it off. See how they translate to different environments. I suspect it'll help, but only way to know is by doing. Or just picking one and not worrying too much about it. Even if your mixes don't translate well, if you use those same headphones to listen to music (including reference mixes) you'll eventually start compensating on your own.
https://www.sonarworks.com/soundid-refe ... iew/#build
Is Morphit's profile on par with that? That's honestly about what I'd expect for $225 open-back headphones. Not a huge bass bump, but not with a totally flat frequency response.
Try a few mixes with Morphit on. Try a few mixes with it off. See how they translate to different environments. I suspect it'll help, but only way to know is by doing. Or just picking one and not worrying too much about it. Even if your mixes don't translate well, if you use those same headphones to listen to music (including reference mixes) you'll eventually start compensating on your own.
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- KVRer
- 2 posts since 17 Sep, 2021
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Thanks for the information.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:08 pm Here's what Sonarworks shows as the frequency response for the DT880's...
https://www.sonarworks.com/soundid-refe ... iew/#build (https://www.sonarworks.com/soundid-reference/blog/reviews/beyerdynamic-dt-880-pro-studio-headphone-review/#build)
Is Morphit's profile on par with that? That's honestly about what I'd expect for $225 open-back headphones. Not a huge bass bump, but not with a totally flat frequency response.
Try a few mixes with Morphit on. Try a few mixes with it off. See how they translate to different environments. I suspect it'll help, but only way to know is by doing. Or just picking one and not worrying too much about it. Even if your mixes don't translate well, if you use those same headphones to listen to music (including reference mixes) you'll eventually start compensating on your own.
I would say the profile in Morphit is broadly similar to the Sonarworks one, if a little smoother with a more even midrange and less extreme roll off at the very top and bottom ends although I'm not sure I'm reading it right.
This image shows the measured response in white and the correction in blue - the grey shading shows the difference between them, (as far as I can make out).
I'm surprised by the difference in sound compared to not using this plugin, the more I listen - the more I like the Morphit effect.
It has transformed the listening experience to something much more pleasing to my ears.
I will take your advice and keep using it, if only because it's a more pleasant experience and hopefully my mixes will benefit.
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- KVRer
- 2 posts since 24 Nov, 2015
If Morphit could be used systemwide, that would make it perfect. I already love using it! It's only a bit tedious to load music into my DAW, just to listen to it through Morphit. Other than that, fantastic, truly FANTASTIC plugin! Big fan here.
EDIT: Just discovered SOUND SOURCE by ROGUE AMOEBA. Let's you put any AU plugin systemwide, even app specific if you so desire. Am using MORPHIT and Waves NX systemwide with my Superlux HD681s now. That way I can learn the sound of my cans not only through my DAW, but with Spotify, YouTube, you name it.. it's nothing short of a dream come true!
EDIT: Just discovered SOUND SOURCE by ROGUE AMOEBA. Let's you put any AU plugin systemwide, even app specific if you so desire. Am using MORPHIT and Waves NX systemwide with my Superlux HD681s now. That way I can learn the sound of my cans not only through my DAW, but with Spotify, YouTube, you name it.. it's nothing short of a dream come true!
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