PLEADING -NUMetal - HardCore Drums PLS!!!

[megl]

http://dimitar.audioshot.net/music/StarGate1.mp3

First: have you tried the ns-kit?:

http://www.naturalstudio.co.uk/ns_kit.html

Second - a few tips:

The kick: watch out for bass and low mids - in that range it's competing with the bass, and often when you think a certain genre needs lots of lows, maybe the opposite is the best. Especially in metal genres the kick often needs to be cut quite a bit in the lows. Give it a boost at a higher frequency to get that metal click instead! Compression for the kick: don't set the attack too fast, but release can set very fast.

The snare: compression is you friend. I often use a couple of different compressor on the snare alone. EQ wise the snare can take a lot of highs in metal.

Hihat: don't be afraid to cut heavily with the eq. Sweep around to isolate the ugly sounding frequencies.

Overall: use compressors on the kick and snare individually but also bus all the drum tracks together and use a compressor on the bus to make them sound more 'together'

Reverb: try to experiment with putting a compressor after the reverb on a send bus!

Hope this helps you

Kind regards

Megl

[Vervil]

Well, you were asking about getting Nu-Metal sound, and that clip is totally in 80s guitar virtuoso style, not only because you play solo all the way.
Nu-Metal player would not play that kind of rhythmic figure, and in most cases drummer would not play that groove. Not that is wrong by itself, but you don't want it that way if you want to record Nu Metal songs.
Actually, I have heard some European power metal bands that are not much better produced than that track of yours

I think the most important thing is to capture way of thinking needed for playing, recording and producing, be in the right state of mind.
You should listen to a lot of CDs in style you want to play and record, and find out how they guitars are sounding.
For instance, Nu Metal guitars are much more mid range defined than classical heavy guitars, like those recorded in your audio clip. Your guitars have too much boost at between 4-5 KHz. Second, bass guitar should always acting like a low extension of guitar, so don't go too wild with adding bass.
Then, you should tune your guitar low, really low. E should go to C or even B.
Ibanez RG alike guitar won't do the job in most of the cases. They are hard to mix, and have something I could call "Low resolution sound". Like looking at the picture that is in lower resolution but stretched. They can sound good on their own, but with drums and bass in busy mix, they start do disappear, losing definition. Try with Gibson Les Paul, with guitar that has active EMG's, and you will notice significant difference.
Less distortion on guitars, more layers of guitars. If I remember well, on System Of Down second album, 10 layers of rhythm guitars.
On most Nu metal albums, bas guitar is lowest bottom, Kick drum is mixed to be more aggressive, without so much low end. Drums have little or no reverb, sometimes with live drums, room mics are enough, and you can simulate that with some short room reverb preset. Everything is very dry, Guitars too.
Bass is mixed to be bellow guitars, very low, so guitar can be really huge in lower mids, and there is boost somewhere between 1000Hz and 1500 Hz to give bass some definition. Check sound of Korn and Mudvayne.
And make the drums more raw, uglier, nastier, listening from your mp3 it seems you tend to polish it too much in a wrong way, like you have listened to too much 80's metal and Dream Theater.
(Well that was my problem too)
Sometimes you can double guitar riff with synth line like Rammstein do.

Hope that I was helpful. We are geographically neighbors, so I'm struggling with English a little bit, too.

[dimitar]

Wow Great response!!!
Thank you Dudes!

one more question!

is there anybody with drum kit from hell
superios!?

[megl]

is there anybody with drum kit from hell
superios!?

I have the first version - the one just named Drumkit From Hell. We should do a colab one day

I gave 'The end of summer' a listen - wow - even greater tone. Is that your RG 450? I fell in love with a RG 450 LTD at a local store this week and I have to decide today wether I'm going to buy it tomorrow or not.

Could I talk you into sharing the Amplitube preset for 'The end of summer'?

Regards

Megl

[dimitar]

is there anybody with drum kit from hell
superios!?

I have the first version - the one just named Drumkit From Hell. We should do a colab one day

I gave 'The end of summer' a listen - wow - even greater tone. Is that your RG 450? I fell in love with a RG 450 LTD at a local store this week and I have to decide today wether I'm going to buy it tomorrow or not.

Could I talk you into sharing the Amplitube preset for 'The end of summer'?

Regards

Megl

Yeah My friend NO problem there !
About my guitar yes it is RG 450
second hand for around 300 $
thaht is!

about patches NO problem

[megl]

Dimitar - I have sent you an email via kvr - did you receive it?

[gullfo]

really excellent solo work! I'm not going to rehash some of the comments made on eq but one of the keys to getting really powerful drums sounds is to have them high in the mix.
If you start your mix with the drum set (roughly @ -6db) and then pull in your bass and rhythms - you can start to find the right balance. once you have what you think is the right level for bass and rhythm, back them off say 0.5db. then add in your solos or vocals. you'll find that the drums should now penetrate the entire mix and the vox and solos will also cut through (check eq to keep each instrument as much has possible in its own range to add even better dynamics).
keeping distortion and reverb down is key to getting a powerful mix. the more distortion, the less power. even so, adding some grundge to the drums using something like a slight tube emulation vst can help but it may be best just to add some more compression to the drums (a bit...)...
the suggestion to create multiple tracks on the rhythm or solos and using less distortion is a good one, you can buss them all to create a solid stereo mix that you can add overall compression or eq on and get a monster rhythm. I find that if I'm working low notes only on bass I tend to cut the low pass at around @230hz to let the bottom mid on the guitars come through. I also tend to cut the high pass on the lead at @320hz to keep the 230-320 range open for the snare and rhythm guitars... adds a bit of oomph to the snare and let's the rhythm guitar punch a bit. [i'm not an expert, just a hobbyist...]

[dimitar]

Dimitar - I have sent you an email via kvr - did you receive it?

Yea Dude !!!
No problemo )))))

All patches is yours!!!!


http://dimitar.audioshot.net/music/HyperSonic.mp3

get this BTW

[megl]

Thanks for the presets dude!!!

You mentioned the AMT as kind of a pedal with a small preamp in it right?? The demo you posted some days ago - was that AMT > Behringer DI > computer? And how much post processing did you do ... and did you use the cab. simulator in the Behringer unit?

What gear do you use when playing live, if you don't have any real amps?

Sorry for asking so many questions - I'm just a bit curious

BTW - I did buy that 450 yesterday ... nice axe!!!

/megl

[dimitar]

Thanks for the presets dude!!!

You mentioned the AMT as kind of a pedal with a small preamp in it right?? The demo you posted some days ago - was that AMT > Behringer DI > computer? And how much post processing did you do ... and did you use the cab. simulator in the Behringer unit?

What gear do you use when playing live, if you don't have any real amps?

Sorry for asking so many questions - I'm just a bit curious

BTW - I did buy that 450 yesterday ... nice axe!!!

/megl

Hello Megl! All Sound is Pure !!!
No processing there only DeLAy! No I dont use CAB sim
AMT it is equip with built in CAB sim!!!!

I dont play Live... !
No problem!
You are welcome!

AND BTW !!!

congratulations! rg is great