Dmitry Sches' Thorn VI

[chk071]

Thorn's sound is OK for me. It lacks brightness in the lower registers, due to its sound generation, so, the lower notes sound as if you apply a low pass filter, and, it also sounds a bit thin in general. I like the sound of Diversion more. I wouldn't calle the sound bad in general, though, just that i already heard better. I don't use it very often, because of that.

You do understand that lower notes are supposed to be less bright than higher notes, right? That's pretty much what "bright" means. But if you are trying to say what I think you are trying to say, I can't agree with you. Listen to a preset like PAD July - it has all that saw wave fuzziness you'd expect when you play a really low note. It probably doesn't sound as raw as an analogue oscillator but it definitely has at least as much detail, and that detail is delicious!

Play a simple low and a high saw wave note, and tell me again that you don't hear a lack of brightness in the lower registers. If you don't, i'd check my ears. Sorry to be so rude, but, even the dev stated that, due to the way the sound is generated (partials), there are less harmonics with lower notes than, say, on a regular VA synth. If that isn't an issue for you, cool.

See the discussion from this post on: viewtopic.php?p=6900332#p6900332

[sqigls]

i expect to see you carving mountains out of mashed potato any day now.

[chk071]

i expect to see you carving mountains out of mashed potato any day now.

I have no idea what that means, but, by the way you don't even seem to have a argument in this discussion, and i was merely pointing out that Bones is wrong with what the wrote, and all you can do is get personal, i have no idea why you even post at all. What kind of an answer do you expect on your post? I mean, i know you're a fan, but that doesn't protect this plugin from any kind of criticism. Even though i wouldn't even call it criticism. Merely pointing out the obvious.

[sqigls]

[chk071]

Still no arguments then. Thought so. Big up, fanboi.

[sqigls]

i think the vid says it all.

i was ACTUALLY trying to add some light to the situation, and DEFINITELY not arguing with you.
but you're obsessed. and trying to START an argument.
it's friggon retarded dude.

[sqigls]

keyboard warrior pussy

step off the internet we can sort it out.

[sqigls]

i WAS in fact being friendly, but you're an asshole about it.
You must have 0 friends

[chk071]

You're finished? Maybe we can get back to topic then.

[BONES]

Play a simple low and a high saw wave note, and tell me again that you don't hear a lack of brightness in the lower registers.

Are you stupid? I just explained to you that of course you don't hear brightness in low notes. What I hear in the lower notes with Thorn is a fat bottom end that you don't hear in other synths. And which is more important for bass notes, brightness or bottom end oomph?

even the dev stated that, due to the way the sound is generated (partials), there are less harmonics with lower notes than, say, on a regular VA synth. If that isn't an issue for you, cool.

So someone told you something, or you read something, and then that's what you heard. OTOH, I just downloaded and installed the trial, and heard what was actually there. Just because the dev is aware of limitations with the synthesis method doesn't mean you or anyone else can hear the difference. In fact, if anything, I think Thorn sounds weak in the upper registers. It lacks brightness there, where you might actually want brightness, and is also quite thin compared to DUNE3 or Massive.

But so what? What matters is how it sounds when you finish designing a patch for it and Thorn sounds frickin' amazing. There are so many ways to add extra harmonic content if you want it, it doesn't need to be there from the start. This is especially true of Thorn, which has a great Drive circuit in its filter and one of the best distortion effects I have ever used.

Here's a demo using the same notes on a raw oscillator from, in order, DUNE 3, Massive, Thorn and Vacuum Pro -

http://novakill.com/stuff/OSC_TEST.wav

Again, so what? It means very little when you can do this kind of stuff -

http://novakill.com/stuff/OSC_TEST2.wav

What you should take away from this is how well balanced the Thorn pad is - the intensity of the high and low notes is quite similar, where some of the others lose a lot in the lower note. Of course, that's likely in the patch programming but they are all untouched presets from the same four synths, in the same order. It shows very clearly how unimportant the raw saw wave is in the end and, therefore, what a useless method it is of assessing anything. And to be clear, I didn't spend hours looking for the perfect example, I just chose a pad in Thorn that I'd been using this afternoon, then spent 5 minutes or so with each of the other synths finding a decent string pad preset that was sort of, maybe, a bit similar. (As an interesting aside, I discovered that even though I have a gazillion Massive presets, all the string patches are quite lame.)

[chk071]

Here's a demo using the same notes on a raw oscillator from, in order, DUNE 3, Massive, Thorn and Vacuum Pro -

http://novakill.com/stuff/OSC_TEST.wav

Again, so what?

I'm sure everyone would be like if every synth would behave like that. For me, it's quite an issue for some sounds. Basically, it means that i wouldn't touch Thorn for sounds in the lower registers, because they sound muffled, as your example shows very well. Thorn is a good sounding synth, don't get me wrong, but, it's limited for sounds in the upper frequency registers for me.

[Telematix]

I absolutely love this synth, but it actually has partials set different from other synths.
Here are sawtooths from Thorn, Zebra 2 and Massive:

Thorn


Zebra2


Massive


Also, for Square I've got similar images.

Mayby it's just a feature:)

Anyway, it's a great synth.

[Tj Shredder]

With these images I‘d expect Massive aliasing with Massive. Hence the name?

[chk071]

I absolutely love this synth, but it actually has partials set different from other synths.
Here is sawtooth from Thorn, Zebra 2 and Massive:

Thorn


Zebra2


Massive


Also, for Square I've got similar images.

Mayby it's just a feature:)

Anyway, it's a great synth.

It's a restriction of the synth. See the explanation here: viewtopic.php?p=6900512#p6900512

[Telematix]

It's a restriction of the synth. See the explanation here: viewtopic.php?p=6900512#p6900512

Ahh, I missed that post. Thank you.