Waveform newbie midi routing problem

[NTO]

Searched back some time in the forum and didn't answer my question...

I have a multi-timbral VST I wish to route clip contents to.
In example
A chord track -> Piano is Channel 1
A Bass track -> Bass is Channel 2
A chord track -> Guitar is channel 3
An arp track -> Pluck is channel 4
a melody track > synth is channel 5

Each track clip has the content, I'm not using a midi input to play through.
I've tried wrapping the VSTi in racks of a couple types. These seem to have only a single midi channel. I can route the tracks to the audio output labelled channel(s) of the wrapper, but only channel 1's instrument is ever played.

What I think I want and cannot find is the way to set the clip content/track clip(s) out to a specific midi channel.

What/where am I missing?

TIA

[NTO]

MUCH easier in my previous DAW.

This is what I did to get one that works. (Single/same VST rack for all tracks. Just 'proof-of-concept' data)
Still wish to know if there's a correct/better way !

[jabe]

Unless your MID is all wrapped up in a single clip and can't be separated, or unless your machine can't handle multiple instances of your VST plugin, I can't see why you'd want all those channels directed to a single plugin. You might have a reason I haven't thought of. Either way, I'd want to be able to process all the different sounds differently.

Anyway - one way to separate the MIDI is to use the track with the combined MIDI as input to another track so you can specify which channel to record on the new track. You can use a track as input to one other at any time, so you'd have to record several new tracks at different times. There may be a better way.

[zzz00m]

You can use one plugin rack as a MIDI Channel Splitter. Insert it on one track, then Ctrl-drag copy it to the other tracks. The only thing the rack needs to have connected is MIDI in to MIDI out.

All of your MIDI tracks will then send their data through the rack to every track that has the splitter rack inserted. Each MIDI clip will let you set the respective output channel in the clip properties. Select each MIDI clip one at a time and look in the properties panel for the channel selector, and set that to the instrument channel you want that clip to play in the multi VST.

So once you have the rack setup so that the MIDI data is split across all MIDI tracks, including the one containing your multi VST, just set each MIDI clip to play the instrument in the multi according to its assigned MIDI channel. Simple!

[zzz00m]

Unless your MID is all wrapped up in a single clip and can't be separated, or unless your machine can't handle multiple instances of your VST plugin, I can't see why you'd want all those channels directed to a single plugin. You might have a reason I haven't thought of. Either way, I'd want to be able to process all the different sounds differently.

You would if you were using a sample based plugin such as Kontakt, SampleTank, Garritan, or Halion, etc. It would not be very resource efficient to run separate instances of those plugins for every instrument, when you could easily use a multi-timbral instance for up to 16 instruments. Those multi plugins also provide for multiple audio outs so that you can process each instrument's output differently.

[jabe]

My brain's packing up.

[chico.co.uk]

Why don't you just set the midi channel on the clip itself, in the properties panel?

[chico.co.uk]

Also, put the multi-timbral VST on a track of it's own, and set the track output of the various tracks with midi clips on them to that track. Don't use a rack at all.

[NTO]

First thanks to all for your replies!

Why don't you just set the midi channel on the clip itself, in the properties panel?

Dunno! Seemed to have missed the option somehow. What I was actually looking for, simple, and working.

[snip]Don't use a rack at all.

Seems I need to use a rack to have the multiple outputs available in the mixer...

[snip]...easily use a multi-timbral instance for up to 16 instruments. Those multi plugins also provide for multiple audio outs so that you can process each instrument's output differently.

Exactly. Have several, and is my preferred method.

Running this simplified version. Eliminating the midi cross-connects cut the CPU load slightly.

[chico.co.uk]

[snip]Don't use a rack at all.

Seems I need to use a rack to have the multiple outputs available in the mixer...

Yeah, good point, you will need the rack if you want to do that. I think i was thinking you'd mix the instruments within the VST, but it'd be better/more flexible if you don't - you can obvs add effects and stuff easier the way you had it. So do that instead

[dacancino]

Also, put the multi-timbral VST on a track of it's own, and set the track output of the various tracks with midi clips on them to that track. Don't use a rack at all.

OMG!!! This is the answer!! I just prove it with an instance of SIne PLayer, an it worked perfectly fine. Just needed a change of mindset