Yeah! Saw the sale price this morning, and thought to grab it. Was gonna wait, but worth saving those pennies.chk071 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:09 pmI saw that there's a sale on it. I grabbed it full price a few weeks ago. Nice software. The only thing I find inferior to Photoshop (Elements) is that there's not nearly as many and as qualitative filters. They announced that they will add some more soon, though.
Well sh*t, that's disheartening. If customers still have to install and use iLok, Soundtoys really needs to change the misleading wording here:robotmonkey wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:02 pmHow it works is still quite unclear. You still need to install iLok Manager for it to work so I guess it's not serial only protection like u-he. Because of that I opted to buy it from JRR Shop because of extra 3$ discount than directly from Soundtoys. And that was pretty much the top I was willing to pay.Russell Grand wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:22 amYou didn't need to use iLok, Soundtoys now offers a serial-only version for newly-purchased plugs.robotmonkey wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:46 pm I can now add Soundtoys Crystallizer to my very short list. Smart move from Soundtoys to put on sale again. It was the only plugin I wanted from them. Even thought this price was pushing it for a iLok plugin I begrudgingly bit the bullet.
With this release, newly purchased Soundtoys plug-ins can now be activated using Activation Codes. This is a feature we’re introducing to make it easier for new customers to get up and running quickly without requiring an iLok.com account.
iLok is a Pace property. Pace has been in the digital rights management game for a long time and has other products. Soundtoys is likely using one of those since they already have a business relationship and bought into the ecosystem. So it is correct that you do not need an iLok account but would still need a Pace DRM software installed. If you completely oppose DRM then I don't know what to say.Russell Grand wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:33 pm Well sh*t, that's disheartening. If customers still have to install and use iLok, Soundtoys really needs to change the misleading wording here:
With this release, newly purchased Soundtoys plug-ins can now be activated using Activation Codes. This is a feature we’re introducing to make it easier for new customers to get up and running quickly without requiring an iLok.com account.
I agree with you overall: yes I'd rather have to deal with Pace copy protection than Soundtoy's own copy protection system...but I still think wording it as though a customer is allowed to choose between a serial or iLok is extremely misleading. Stating that a user can choose a simple serial number or the iLok copy protection system says to me that if he / she chooses a serial, it's only a serial number, not a serial number with a copy protection system like Pace. Again, I think Soundtoys needs to change their wording as it's very misleading.yellowmix wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:05 amiLok is a Pace property. Pace has been in the digital rights management game for a long time and has other products. Soundtoys is likely using one of those since they already have a business relationship and bought into the ecosystem. So it is correct that you do not need an iLok account but would still need a Pace DRM software installed. If you completely oppose DRM then I don't know what to say.Russell Grand wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:33 pm Well sh*t, that's disheartening. If customers still have to install and use iLok, Soundtoys really needs to change the misleading wording here:
With this release, newly purchased Soundtoys plug-ins can now be activated using Activation Codes. This is a feature we’re introducing to make it easier for new customers to get up and running quickly without requiring an iLok.com account.
If you're an audio software developer you're focused on cross platform interoperability, GUIs, DSP, etc., and copy protection is the last thing anyone wants to do except a few masochists that treat it as a necessary game against crackers. I'd rather they outsource it to a common DRM vendor like Pace than implement their own system which becomes another product to support and another installation manager to upkeep. Division of labor is simply more efficient and saves everyone money in the long run.
They specifically say "activation code". That's certainly up to interpretation but it's definitely not a simple "serial number". To me, that implies phoning home and reporting a machine ID. But the FAQ doesn't say anything about offline activation so I have no idea what it's actually doing.Russell Grand wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:25 am Stating that a user can choose a simple serial number or the iLok copy protection system says to me that if he / she chooses a serial, it's only a serial number, not a serial number with a copy protection system like Pace. Again, I think Soundtoys needs to change their wording as it's very misleading.
That's not how I read it tbh, but fair point and I'll concede that you're most likely correct.yellowmix wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:28 amThey specifically say "activation code". That's certainly up to interpretation but it's definitely not a simple "serial number". To me, that implies phoning home and reporting a machine ID. But the FAQ doesn't say anything about offline activation so I have no idea what it's actually doing.Russell Grand wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:25 am Stating that a user can choose a simple serial number or the iLok copy protection system says to me that if he / she chooses a serial, it's only a serial number, not a serial number with a copy protection system like Pace. Again, I think Soundtoys needs to change their wording as it's very misleading.
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