What is it about Sylenth1 ?

[Synthman2000]

People who have greater experience than others can determine what poor sounding is. And the more specialist the better they are at doing that. Let's say a session guitarist who plays with the biggest names in musical history. That person is paid well, has money no object guitars, cables, amps, processing, monitoring etc. etc.

They will know poor from bad guitar sound much, much better than anyone else. Whilst there is subjectivity in all things sound and creativity, ignoring the experienced is foolish. Should I need to know specifically and deeply about that guitar realm that is who I would trust.

Not everyone involved in music is a hobbyist.

[wagtunes]

It's probably both, talent and gear. Not to mention motivation...
And they are tied to each other, a good sounding instrument is more inspiring than a poor sounding instrument.

And who defines poor sounding? Again, this is all just opinion.

Well, as a former bass player I can tell you that it makes a big difference whether you play a MusicMan Stingray with its famous sound or a much more affordable Samick bass, which was all I could afford back then. I am sure I would have practiced harder if I had had a bass whose sound had impressed me more...

Well, again, that's just your opinion of the sound of those two bases. I'm sure there's somebody out there who doesn't like the sound o a Music Man Stingray and prefers a Rickenbacker. Doesn't mean one's good and the other isn't. And it doesn't mean one bass is suitable for all uses.

This is probably the best example I can think of when it comes to the right instrument for the right job.

Most people would probably prefer the sound of a Steinway Concert Grand Piano over some severely detuned upright, but then listen to this song and tell me you'd prefer the outro played on a Steinway Concert Grand. It would be laughable.

[fluffy_little_something]

I didn't say anything about Rickenbacker, which are also fine instruments. I was comparing the Stingray to my Samick, the sound of the former is just better. Sure, maybe 2 in 100 will say the Samick sounds better, but in my view those outliers don't mean much.

[wagtunes]

I didn't say anything about Rickenbacker, which are also fine instruments. I was comparing the Stingray to my Samick, the sound of the former is just better. Sure, maybe 2 in 100 will say the Samick sounds better, but in my view those outliers don't mean much.

Again, just your opinion. Not a fact that one instrument sounds better than another.

[wagtunes]

I am really beginning to wonder if people know the difference between opinion and fact.

Fact: Synth X has less aliasing than Synth Y as measured by whatever tool is needed to measure aliasing.

Opinion: Synth X sounds better than Synth Y.

Words and terms like sounds better, more warm, sits in the mix better, more lush, easier to use, are all opinions. They are not provable 100% by any quantitative means of measurement.

One day, this forum in general will get that. Though I highly doubt it.

[fluffy_little_something]

I don't need tools to measure aliasing. I noticed aliasing in Sylenth1 simply by listening, and I told LD about it and he confirmed that an aliasing bug had sneaked in with a recent update.

Your view is that everything sounds equally good (else some instruments would sound better than others, which you deny). It's like saying all women are equally beautiful It may be politically correct, but 95% of men will disagree

[wagtunes]

I don't need tools to measure aliasing. I noticed aliasing in Sylenth1 simply by listening, and I told LD about it and he confirmed that an aliasing bug had sneaked in with a recent update.

Your view is that everything sounds equally good (else some instruments would sound better than others, which you deny). It's like saying all women are equally beautiful It may be politically correct, but 95% of men will disagree

I'm not saying that to ME all instruments sound equally as good. But again, that is just MY opinion. If I like Legend's Minimoog emulation more than the Arturia one, that's just MY opinion. Some people may prefer Arturia. So what, I'm right and they're wrong?

You don't like harsh sounds. Some people do. So what, you're right and they're wrong?

There is no right or wrong when it comes to opinion.

Some people here obviously don't get that and never will.

[herodotus]

I don't need tools to measure aliasing. I noticed aliasing in Sylenth1 simply by listening, and I told LD about it and he confirmed that an aliasing bug had sneaked in with a recent update.

Your view is that everything sounds equally good (else some instruments would sound better than others, which you deny). It's like saying all women are equally beautiful It may be politically correct, but 95% of men will disagree

That statement isn't a proper analogy. A more accurate one would be that some men find Marilyn Monroe to be the most beautiful while others prefer Gina Lolobrigida. Which one would be "right"?

[fluffy_little_something]

I don't need tools to measure aliasing. I noticed aliasing in Sylenth1 simply by listening, and I told LD about it and he confirmed that an aliasing bug had sneaked in with a recent update.

Your view is that everything sounds equally good (else some instruments would sound better than others, which you deny). It's like saying all women are equally beautiful It may be politically correct, but 95% of men will disagree

That statement isn't a proper analogy. A more accurate one would be that some men find Marilyn Monroe to be the most beautiful while others prefer Gina Lolobrigida. Which one would be "right"?

Actually, I find my analogy better because you have picked and narrowed it down to what many people consider two very good-looking women. It's like asking what is better, a Ferrari or a Lamborghini? What I am saying though is that a Ferrari is better than a Fiat, so to speak

[fluffy_little_something]

I don't need tools to measure aliasing. I noticed aliasing in Sylenth1 simply by listening, and I told LD about it and he confirmed that an aliasing bug had sneaked in with a recent update.

Your view is that everything sounds equally good (else some instruments would sound better than others, which you deny). It's like saying all women are equally beautiful It may be politically correct, but 95% of men will disagree

I'm not saying that to ME all instruments sound equally as good. But again, that is just MY opinion. If I like Legend's Minimoog emulation more than the Arturia one, that's just MY opinion. Some people may prefer Arturia. So what, I'm right and they're wrong?

You don't like harsh sounds. Some people do. So what, you're right and they're wrong?

There is no right or wrong when it comes to opinion.

Some people here obviously don't get that and never will.

Regarding the sound, Legend is certainly better than Arturia. We are talking about sound, right? Of course the Arturia has other features that might make it more appealing to some people who don't care so much about authentic sound.

[herodotus]

Actually, I find my analogy better because you have picked and narrowed it down to what many people consider two very good-looking women. It's like asking what is better, a Ferrari or a Lamborghini? What I am saying though is that a Ferrari is better than a Fiat, so to speak

They all suck when it comes to gas mileage. Which is a perfect example of why the idea of "the best" car is misguided.

[wagtunes]

I don't need tools to measure aliasing. I noticed aliasing in Sylenth1 simply by listening, and I told LD about it and he confirmed that an aliasing bug had sneaked in with a recent update.

Your view is that everything sounds equally good (else some instruments would sound better than others, which you deny). It's like saying all women are equally beautiful It may be politically correct, but 95% of men will disagree

I'm not saying that to ME all instruments sound equally as good. But again, that is just MY opinion. If I like Legend's Minimoog emulation more than the Arturia one, that's just MY opinion. Some people may prefer Arturia. So what, I'm right and they're wrong?

You don't like harsh sounds. Some people do. So what, you're right and they're wrong?

There is no right or wrong when it comes to opinion.

Some people here obviously don't get that and never will.

Regarding the sound, Legend is certainly better than Arturia. We are talking about sound, right? Of course the Arturia has other features that might make it more appealing to some people who don't care so much about authentic sound.

Please quantify better. I'm still waiting for somebody in this world to objectively quantify one synth sound as "better" than another synth sound.

Let me know when you work that out.

Yep, some people have no clue when it comes to the difference between a factual statement and a statement of opinion.

[fluffy_little_something]

Actually, I find my analogy better because you have picked and narrowed it down to what many people consider two very good-looking women. It's like asking what is better, a Ferrari or a Lamborghini? What I am saying though is that a Ferrari is better than a Fiat, so to speak

They all suck when it comes to gas mileage. Which is a perfect example of why the idea of "the best" car is misguided.

Regarding the whole package, yes.
Then again, sound is just one aspect of a synth. Some synths do sound better than others.
CPU efficiency (mileage ) would e another aspect and of course the winners would be different ones.

[fluffy_little_something]

Please quantify better. I'm still waiting for somebody in this world to objectively quantify one synth sound as "better" than another synth sound.

Let me know when you work that out.

Yep, some people have no clue when it comes to the difference between a factual statement and a statement of opinion.

Luckily the leading plugin developers don't have your weird way of thinking. They know what good sounds is and try to make their products sound better and better.

[jancivil]

You could literally quantify the differences between a "good" model of a minimoog, as brought in, vs Arturia's.
It's not information everybody in the world can grok, but there's a quantifiable set of criteria people that develop may use. The response of the filters in terms of time for starters.
If you don't care that much about the original, you may not care about the difference.

I don't care so much about the accuracy of models like some people here clearly do, on and on about it but it's the same thing as not caring a lot about engineering or mathematics, or other sciences being a 'layperson'. And, I don't care at all about any Roland synth being accurately emulated, they aren't anything to me. So.

I really do agree with "other features that might make it more appealing to some people who don't care so much"

'one synth sound as better than another' as though central to an argument has a different goalpost, insisting on a subjective impression which of course can't be argued. It's a little like demanding one prove a negative: can't be done, nothing about that argument will be fruitful. Behaviors resulting in sound can be described in physical terms. So 'a better model of' is a different goalpost.