KVR Audio

classic · Post by **classic** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:50 pm

Is there a way to record your melody or song, lets say with a piano, without using the metronom, and establish its bpm after recording?

I own Cubase9 Elements Studio One4 and Waveform.
Any of these DAWs that can help ?

Thank you

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:18 pm

yes, play it and record, then as you listen back, count time.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:30 pm

Turn the metronome off. I literally never use a click or quantize. Or even snap bars.

The way to achieve what you want is to go ahead and do what you want, and then in the timeline and/or the Key Editor, select Warp Time. The basic warp time (not musical events follow); and make all the midi tracks linear time rather than musical (bars and beats). So what you played doesn't move, you're fitting the timeline to the performance. Then you find a downbeat and drag the nearest barline to it to that spot. And you can drag beats (or subdivisions) within a bar to agree with what you played (in Key Editor) to the finest resolution you select in Key Editor.

Read the manual now, as there are rules and a best practices to avoid troubles.

clangorous · Post by **clangorous** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:31 pm

Studio one is great for this.

Here you go:

http://www.studioonetutorials.com/2015/ ... any-track/

Since piano-only wont have a kick and snare, adapt this method based on what transients you need to use for timing.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:32 pm

Wait, this is probably just in Pro.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:37 pm

oh! using midi?
i thought he meant recording a piano, with mics

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:45 pm

Well, in the Key Editor it will be MIDI. If you're going to arrange from the actual piano, I would think MIDI. But if not, you set the basic timeline in Warp Time. Which may actually be called Time Warp, I'm in the bed atm, didn't look.

If it's not going to be MIDI at all... I suppose you would score a picture needing shit to line up, although not necessarily to the extent I went into as far as bars and beats, more to events and markers.

Music played by human beings is not going to be one single BPM throughout, so you'll find out to what extent this is true for you with Time Warp.
I'm not sure Elements even has the feature. so probably you're screwed. For all of this, I think you need Pro.

clangorous · Post by **clangorous** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:46 pm

No, the tutorial I shared uses an audio file not midi.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:47 pm

Studio One 4 can do this as well. It's not quite the same move, or the same name but it's the same feature. Your timeline moves but your parts do not. Before v. 4, nope.

clangorous · Post by **clangorous** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:51 pm

jancivil wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:47 pm Studio One 4 can do this as well. It's not quite the same move, or the same name but it's the same feature. Your timeline moves but your parts do not. Before v. 4, nope.

The tutorial above uses Studio One V3...just need to set to timestretch.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:56 pm

vurt wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:37 pm oh! using midi?
i thought he meant recording a piano, with mics

"with a piano", probably so. So replace 'midi tracks' in my post with audio tracks. Do not use any warp on the actual material, just the timeline, is the idea. By default the audio is just doing to sit there though, you have to want it to follow warp. I'm just trying to be thorough, as though people read the thing.

Ok, I do have the manual on the little computer:

Is there a way?