What is it about Sylenth1 ?

[herodotus]

Please quantify better. I'm still waiting for somebody in this world to objectively quantify one synth sound as "better" than another synth sound.

Let me know when you work that out.

Yep, some people have no clue when it comes to the difference between a factual statement and a statement of opinion.

Luckily the leading plugin developers don't have your weird way of thinking. They know what good sounds is and try to make their products sound better and better.

You know what? You have convinced me. Could you tell me what tools you use to measure goodness of sound? You know, like the tools and techniques used to measure fuel efficiency and CPU optimization.

Otherwise I am afraid that I would fall into the trap of, you know, convincing myself that the things I prefer are better than the things I don't like. And that would be really childish.

[wagtunes]

You could literally quantify the differences between a "good" model of a minimoog, as brought in, vs Arturia's.
It's not information everybody in the world can grok, but there's a quantifiable set of criteria people that develop may use. The response of the filters in terms of time for starters.
If you don't care that much about the original, you may not care about the difference.

I don't care so much about the accuracy of models like some people here clearly do, on and on about it but it's the same thing as not caring a lot about engineering or mathematics, or other sciences being a 'layperson'. And, I don't care at all about any Roland synth being accurately emulated, they aren't anything to me. So.

I really do agree with "other features that might make it more appealing to some people who don't care so much"

'one synth sound as better than another' as though central to an argument has a different goalpost, insisting on a subjective impression which of course can't be argued. It's a little like demanding one prove a negative: can't be done, nothing about that argument will be fruitful. Behaviors resulting in sound can be described in physical terms. So 'a better model of' is a different goalpost.

Yes, exactly. The Legend is a more accurate emulation of the Minimoog as proven by tools that can measure these things. But that doesn't mean The Legend sounds "better" than the Arturia version. Because the interpretation of sound on a physical level of consciousness is totally subjective.

Again, FLS hates harsh sounds. He has no use for them. Does that mean that harsh sounds are bad or not as pleasing as mellow sounds?

My friend Richard and I (boy do I miss our talks) got into a discussion many years ago about my music as being good or bad and I asked him to define "good" and "bad."

Without going through the entire 3 hour discussion, ultimately it came down to this statement that he made.

"It all comes down to what's pleasing to the ear to the majority."

That's when I asked him how many people hate The Beatles.

Taste is taste and taste is not objective. It's subjective. And there isn't any argument on this planet that can convince me that 1=2.

[fluffy_little_something]

The Beatles had more than one song, so one might like some of their songs and dislike others. So, I can't say the Beatles made good or bad music.

Songs are much more complex than the mere sound quality of a synth, which as was already said can be measured by experts.

If I am a developer making a general-purpose synth (i.e. not one specialized on, say, bells), then I know that I have to avoid making it sound metallic because I know that most people don't like a metallic sound character. Insofar your friend was not wrong when he said that the majority decides what is good.

Regarding my dislike for harsh, that doesn't mean I like mellow as you suggested. There is a lot between those two extremes.

[stvrsz]

I don't need tools to measure aliasing. I noticed aliasing in Sylenth1 simply by listening, and I told LD about it and he confirmed that an aliasing bug had sneaked in with a recent update.

Your view is that everything sounds equally good (else some instruments would sound better than others, which you deny). It's like saying all women are equally beautiful It may be politically correct, but 95% of men will disagree

I also noticed this in the version 3 videos on YouTube. I thought that it was just the YT compression, but version 3 sounds different from version 2. That is another reason that I did not purchase it on Black Friday.

[vurt]

The Beatles had more than one song, so one might like some of their songs and dislike others. So, I can't say the Beatles made good or bad music.

easy!
pre-revolver = meh!
revolver onwards = not so bad.

what do i win?

[fluffy_little_something]

I don't need tools to measure aliasing. I noticed aliasing in Sylenth1 simply by listening, and I told LD about it and he confirmed that an aliasing bug had sneaked in with a recent update.

Your view is that everything sounds equally good (else some instruments would sound better than others, which you deny). It's like saying all women are equally beautiful It may be politically correct, but 95% of men will disagree

I also noticed this in the version 3 videos on YouTube. I thought that it was just the YT compression, but version 3 sounds different from version 2. That is another reason that I did not purchase it on Black Friday.

He is working on a fix and in the process he has discovered a way to optimize both sound quality and CPU efficiency, which he is now implementing. He is not the fastest developer, but who knows, maybe the new version will be out this year

[fluffy_little_something]

The Beatles had more than one song, so one might like some of their songs and dislike others. So, I can't say the Beatles made good or bad music.

easy!
pre-revolver = meh!
revolver onwards = not so bad.

what do i win?

A yellow submarine

[vurt]

The Beatles had more than one song, so one might like some of their songs and dislike others. So, I can't say the Beatles made good or bad music.

easy!
pre-revolver = meh!
revolver onwards = not so bad.

what do i win?

A yellow submarine

that's unfair, that's a ringo track!

[wagtunes]

The Beatles had more than one song, so one might like some of their songs and dislike others. So, I can't say the Beatles made good or bad music.

Songs are much more complex than the mere sound quality of a synth, which as was already said can be measured by experts.

If I am a developer making a general-purpose synth (i.e. not one specialized on, say, bells), then I know that I have to avoid making it sound metallic because I know that most people don't like a metallic sound character. Insofar your friend was not wrong when he said that the majority decides what is good.

Regarding my dislike for harsh, that doesn't mean I like mellow as you suggested. There is a lot between those two extremes.

1. I didn't say you like mellow. I said you don't like harsh. That's not the same thing.

2. The majority deciding on what it likes does not make the actual quality of what they're deciding on an objective measurement. I could run down the whole history of things that the majority liked that I am sure will have you cringing at a number of their choices. Does that make them wrong and you right, or vice versa?

Again

Fact: 2 x 3 = 6 (in base 10)
Opinion: Sylenth1 has a nice sound

It's okay. Someday you'll get it.

[vurt]

harsh-mellows?
over an open fire?

[fluffy_little_something]

When you say: "Again, FLS hates harsh sounds. He has no use for them. Does that mean that harsh sounds are bad or not as pleasing as mellow sounds?" that implies in my view that I like mellow sounds.

Where the basic senses are concerned, I do think the majority decides what is good and what is not. Not knowingly, of course, but still, the reasons might be physiological and neurological.
Not just with sound, but also with taste. Most humans don't like stuff that taste bitter, but love stuff that tastes sweet.
Same thing with tactile, some things are more pleasant to touch than others.
Colors and shapes as well. There are paintings that most people find beautiful while there are others that most people find ugly.

[toonertik]

easy!
pre-revolver = meh!
revolver onwards = not so bad.

what do i win?

A yellow submarine

that's unfair, that's a ringo track!

[herodotus]

Not just with sound, but also with taste. Most humans don't like stuff that taste bitter, but love stuff that tastes sweet.

Most humans don't like beer? Really?

[vurt]

Not just with sound, but also with taste. Most humans don't like stuff that taste bitter, but love stuff that tastes sweet.

Most humans don't like beer? Really?

only the ones too pissed to form an opinion...

[toonertik]

From Silenth to submarines, through fire_cooked HARSH_Mellows..
we finally arrive to a great Friday night topic>>> beer
I will thank you