Plugin Alliance new transfer policy caused concerns and is corrected...

[Rickskii]

I feel it would be ok to implement on all future purchases. You should not be able to move the goalposts regarding something that was sold previously under different terms and conditions.

I will definitely think twice about buying from PA in the future. I have always thought of buying plugins as an investment. Something that you could cash in down the line if you really needed to...

[jens]

S'all good - who needs PA anymore anyway?

Their main coder left the ship a while ago and now has two great companies of his own and the stuff PA have been released since has been overpriced (no surprise there) and underwhelming. Remember that silly little delay they tried to charge how many bucks for?

Exception: UA - but it's just a matter of time until they've had enough, I bet.

[martinjuenke]

Their main coder left the ship a while ago and now has two great companies of his own...

Wasn‘t aware of that. Who is it?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I feel it would be ok to implement on all future purchases. You should not be able to move the goalposts regarding something that was sold previously under different terms and conditions.

Exactly! Upon purchase, you agree to the terms and conditions that are in place at that moment. How anyone can think it's acceptable to go back and change those terms retroactively is beyond me.

No interest in supporting companies that think they can pull that kind of shit

[iftango]

This is honestly inconceivable from a supposed first grade company.

I suggest we send them emails to complain of the probable illegality of modyfing our ability to resell our licenses. And if it is not illegal it is far from being customer minded, I will not buy from them again.

[dubguy99]

Their main coder left the ship a while ago and now has two great companies of his own...

Wasn‘t aware of that. Who is it?

I think he is talking about Reimund Dratwa who now makes plugins for Black Rooster Audio and Fuse Audio Labs. But I don't think he was ever the only coder for PA and I think he coded the recent Phil's Cascade plugin so he didn't actually leave, just reduced his involvement to focus on his own companies.

[nathanj]

And the fact that there was no announcement or explanation.

That’s the strangest past for me.

[evilantal]

I believe that the two transfer limit for the "same plugin" just means that if you have, say a dozen copies of bx_tuner that you got on sale, you can only sell two of them.

This.
This passage is obviously to counter people who have massive amounts of the same license from abusing the cart discounts in the past or who buy multiple copies on sale, hoping to make a profit.

That would mean that licenses won't become NFR for the buyer, but extra licenses above the second will become NFR for the owner.

[loungepanda]

Then again, that wouldn't be necessary if they had a more normal pricing system instead of the whole flim-flam voucher thing.

[robindrieghe]

i am avoiding pa products,am i missing something?
what plugins are MUST HAVE?

[lnikj]

i am avoiding pa products,am i missing something?
what plugins are MUST HAVE?

For me the Unfiltered Audio catalogue, the SPL track plugins but not much else. I keep slowly accruing the rest though, usually at €29 - €25 = €4+VAT.

[robindrieghe]

ua is good,but there are loads of good delay's.
4€ is offcourse a good deal

[Digivolt]

i am avoiding pa products,am i missing something?
what plugins are MUST HAVE?

DSM V2 ?

Maybe BYOME too

[TheSteven]

The new policy of Plugin Alliance is pretty annoying, isn‘t it?

Meh, seems pretty much in line with policies that most vendors have implemented.

With most software companies if you upgrade something v2 to something v3 or otherthing vX then you loose something v2 as separate license i.e. something v2 + (something v3 or otherthing vX ) is now considered one license.

The multiple licenses for single product thing - that's just a further correction of a broken sales feature they corrected where you could force cart discounts by adding multiple copies of a cheap product. They could have been nastier and said they consider them all as one license or all as NFR.

[iftango]

Meh, seems pretty much in line with policies that most vendors have implemented.

Which vendors? Steve Duda, Spectrasonics and a handful of others? ValhallaDSP does not do it nor does u-he, Waves, iZotope, Arturia and many others.

U-he: "If you wish to transfer your license in the first nine months of ownership, you must purchase a transfer token for 15€. After nine months of ownership, transferring your license is free. Transfer tokens are not listed in our store, please contact us to purchase the transfer token before starting the license transfer."

ValhallaDSP: "You can transfer your license to another person, directly from your user account. In order to do so, both of you need to have user accounts set up at Valhalla DSP. There is no fee for transferring a plugin that has been purchased new from Valhalla DSP (you have to complete the “purchase process” in order for the transfer to go through, but there will be no charge for the initial transfer of the plugin). There is a $10 fee for selling a license that was purchased used (2nd hand) from another user."

Waves: "Transfer fees are 5% of the full, regular list price of the products being transferred (minimum $10, maximum $150 per transfer request)."