Airwindows Dither Me Timbers: Mac/Windows/Linux AU/VST
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- KVRian
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- 1320 posts since 7 Apr, 2007 from Bellows Falls, VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZBKmW4DxNQ
TL;DW: Dark deep 'dither' (includes 16 bit version)
Dither Me Timbers
What is a dither? Dither is a way of changing one type of noise, quantization, to a different type, just plain noise. It's all about manipulating a situation where your waveform must decide between two options, 'up' or 'down', and pick one of a very limited number of positions in a lower-resolution space. In the strictest sense, dither is adding two sources of calibrated noise in order to make the resulting noise floor completely unrelated to the audio signal.
Or, if you're me, 'dither' can be an affair of tracking the Benford Realness calculations of each option, and always choosing the direction that will most closely approximate real sampled data, then noise shaping the result to produce a bright airy hiss for the background noise, and an open, detailed sound picture far more revealing than normal 'dither' can be. And that's Not Just Another Dither, which uses a completely different approach to selecting 'up' or 'down'. And then there was last Monday, my first Airwindows tech-support livestream, and a little diagram I drew to explain the sampling theorem… and an idea.
What if you just picked whichever option smoothed the signal out most?
Introducing Dither Me Timbers, the tonal opposite to Not Just Another Dither. Although it has dither in the name, and works like a dither, and occupies the same place in your DAW as a dither, it's not a dither at all (though it does have a noise shaper). It's a filter. It exists to take the tiny microdetails in the sampling theorem, and make them darker and deeper. The functionality is very simple: it runs one sample of latency (it's an output stage, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem in practice) and, for every sample, asks whether it's larger or smaller than its surroundings. If it's the top of a corner or a spike of treble, it simply picks whichever 'rounding' will smooth out the treble the most. How much? It doesn't care. It just always picks the least treble at any given moment, no matter what.
The noise shaping is gentler than that in Not Just Another Dither. Instead of establishing a bed of subtly hissing noise like NJAD, Dither Me Timbers uses its noise shaping to transform what is not even a dither, into a behavior. It doesn't try to decorrelate the noise, or present a clean signal behind it. Instead, it does this: it works to make whatever noise is produced, as loud as the original sound would have been. This is all at superfaint levels, and interacts with the treble-darkening effect. It sounds like analog mechanical noise from some sort of playback system that's part of the audio. As it drops way below the noise floor of what TPDF dither would have been (and I mean WAY below that noise floor) it replaces faint musical content with faint rustles and sputterings, not unlike a vinyl record's artifacts. It's entirely correlated with the audio, and closely matched in volume to what the audio would have been… far below what we're used to experiencing as a digital noise floor. And it's combined with the EQ behavior of Dither Me Timbers, producing a behavior where the audio goes first dark, then quiet, as it drops beneath perception.
This produces an effect you can't get anywhere else, which contrasts with Not Just Another Dither completely. Instead of sparkling detail, you get depth like no other digital medium can produce. Ambient stuff, distant sounds, are twice as deep and twice as dark. If you're going for natural organic tones, they'll feel all the more solid, all the more real. There's an ease to the presentation, a blackness and silence to the background, as if distant reflective surfaces became velvet curtains. Quiet musical notes take on body, lose sparkle, sit back in space as if they're on a distant stage.
There's also a version that does this to 16 bit, Dither Me Diskers. I don't do that with many dither experiments: NJAD has its CD version, and now there's finally a follow-up for those who'd like to make seriously warm, deep, organic sounding CDs. If you're not pushing the frequency limits of human hearing with your content, it's possible to get CDs to sound surprisingly good, and Dither Me Diskers takes that to another level. You won't feel a lack of depth and distance from your CD with this. There's hints of sound way way below what you're using to thinking of as the grain of 16 bit digital audio, and you can't feel the edges of it at all. Everything's more dark and mellow.
And lastly, some of you will hate it. This is a filter. It takes the most delicate subtleties of the digital waveform and darkens them up, on purpose ('cos you gotta do something, when you're quantizing). You know who you are: if you're not panting for that depth perception and analog smoothness, if you're not secretly into the resonance and power of the best old vinyl, this is not for you. Try NJAD, which will give you all the airy detail you could ask for.
If you want to sink into the music like it was soup, if you think digital would sound better through tubes or tape or anything to cut the dryness and shallowness of it… odds are you're going to love Dither Me Timbers. It is as wrong as a pirate at a garden party: it's not even a dither at all, but a filter and a bizarre noise shaper. It's a trick, a stunt, a mockery of 'correct dither behavior'. It's an EQ, a tone-changer.
And there's nothing else like it… and it's yours. Enjoy
All this is supported through Patreon. That's how I do all this. If not for Patreon, you wouldn't even have NJAD, much less this. If you've got the money and this plugin blows you away like it does me, then tack another $50 a year onto your Patreon pledge and the booty will keep on piling into your treasure chest, week after week. And every now and then I'll hit upon something really interesting like Dither Me Timbers, and we can all rejoice
TL;DW: Dark deep 'dither' (includes 16 bit version)
Dither Me Timbers
What is a dither? Dither is a way of changing one type of noise, quantization, to a different type, just plain noise. It's all about manipulating a situation where your waveform must decide between two options, 'up' or 'down', and pick one of a very limited number of positions in a lower-resolution space. In the strictest sense, dither is adding two sources of calibrated noise in order to make the resulting noise floor completely unrelated to the audio signal.
Or, if you're me, 'dither' can be an affair of tracking the Benford Realness calculations of each option, and always choosing the direction that will most closely approximate real sampled data, then noise shaping the result to produce a bright airy hiss for the background noise, and an open, detailed sound picture far more revealing than normal 'dither' can be. And that's Not Just Another Dither, which uses a completely different approach to selecting 'up' or 'down'. And then there was last Monday, my first Airwindows tech-support livestream, and a little diagram I drew to explain the sampling theorem… and an idea.
What if you just picked whichever option smoothed the signal out most?
Introducing Dither Me Timbers, the tonal opposite to Not Just Another Dither. Although it has dither in the name, and works like a dither, and occupies the same place in your DAW as a dither, it's not a dither at all (though it does have a noise shaper). It's a filter. It exists to take the tiny microdetails in the sampling theorem, and make them darker and deeper. The functionality is very simple: it runs one sample of latency (it's an output stage, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem in practice) and, for every sample, asks whether it's larger or smaller than its surroundings. If it's the top of a corner or a spike of treble, it simply picks whichever 'rounding' will smooth out the treble the most. How much? It doesn't care. It just always picks the least treble at any given moment, no matter what.
The noise shaping is gentler than that in Not Just Another Dither. Instead of establishing a bed of subtly hissing noise like NJAD, Dither Me Timbers uses its noise shaping to transform what is not even a dither, into a behavior. It doesn't try to decorrelate the noise, or present a clean signal behind it. Instead, it does this: it works to make whatever noise is produced, as loud as the original sound would have been. This is all at superfaint levels, and interacts with the treble-darkening effect. It sounds like analog mechanical noise from some sort of playback system that's part of the audio. As it drops way below the noise floor of what TPDF dither would have been (and I mean WAY below that noise floor) it replaces faint musical content with faint rustles and sputterings, not unlike a vinyl record's artifacts. It's entirely correlated with the audio, and closely matched in volume to what the audio would have been… far below what we're used to experiencing as a digital noise floor. And it's combined with the EQ behavior of Dither Me Timbers, producing a behavior where the audio goes first dark, then quiet, as it drops beneath perception.
This produces an effect you can't get anywhere else, which contrasts with Not Just Another Dither completely. Instead of sparkling detail, you get depth like no other digital medium can produce. Ambient stuff, distant sounds, are twice as deep and twice as dark. If you're going for natural organic tones, they'll feel all the more solid, all the more real. There's an ease to the presentation, a blackness and silence to the background, as if distant reflective surfaces became velvet curtains. Quiet musical notes take on body, lose sparkle, sit back in space as if they're on a distant stage.
There's also a version that does this to 16 bit, Dither Me Diskers. I don't do that with many dither experiments: NJAD has its CD version, and now there's finally a follow-up for those who'd like to make seriously warm, deep, organic sounding CDs. If you're not pushing the frequency limits of human hearing with your content, it's possible to get CDs to sound surprisingly good, and Dither Me Diskers takes that to another level. You won't feel a lack of depth and distance from your CD with this. There's hints of sound way way below what you're using to thinking of as the grain of 16 bit digital audio, and you can't feel the edges of it at all. Everything's more dark and mellow.
And lastly, some of you will hate it. This is a filter. It takes the most delicate subtleties of the digital waveform and darkens them up, on purpose ('cos you gotta do something, when you're quantizing). You know who you are: if you're not panting for that depth perception and analog smoothness, if you're not secretly into the resonance and power of the best old vinyl, this is not for you. Try NJAD, which will give you all the airy detail you could ask for.
If you want to sink into the music like it was soup, if you think digital would sound better through tubes or tape or anything to cut the dryness and shallowness of it… odds are you're going to love Dither Me Timbers. It is as wrong as a pirate at a garden party: it's not even a dither at all, but a filter and a bizarre noise shaper. It's a trick, a stunt, a mockery of 'correct dither behavior'. It's an EQ, a tone-changer.
And there's nothing else like it… and it's yours. Enjoy
All this is supported through Patreon. That's how I do all this. If not for Patreon, you wouldn't even have NJAD, much less this. If you've got the money and this plugin blows you away like it does me, then tack another $50 a year onto your Patreon pledge and the booty will keep on piling into your treasure chest, week after week. And every now and then I'll hit upon something really interesting like Dither Me Timbers, and we can all rejoice
- Boss Lovin' DR
- 12628 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1320 posts since 7 Apr, 2007 from Bellows Falls, VT
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el-bo (formerly ebow) el-bo (formerly ebow) https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=208007
- KVRAF
- 16369 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
Not if you pronounce "timbres" correctly
- Banned
- 7624 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway
- KVRian
- 937 posts since 31 May, 2017
That didn't stop Akai.
And everyone has been happy ever since.
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heavymetalmixer heavymetalmixer https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=391539
- KVRian
- 692 posts since 8 Jan, 2017
After some (rough) testing I discovered this plugin raises the level up by around 0.5dB, is this intentional?
- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 22 May, 2017
Is it intentional that there are no controls on either of the plugs?
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- KVRian
- 872 posts since 28 Nov, 2016
There are no controls on a lot of his dither plugins, I think.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1320 posts since 7 Apr, 2007 from Bellows Falls, VT
No, it's weird and people are noticing that when they try to make insane loud 'masters' clipping/limiting at exactly 0dB (which is bad practice). This might be one of those ones where it gets fixed and then people clamor for the better sounding original version… still working out what the deal is. It shouldn't be changing things beyond half a bit… something in the noise shaping is acting strangely.heavymetalmixer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:03 am After some (rough) testing I discovered this plugin raises the level up by around 0.5dB, is this intentional?
- KVRian
- 1307 posts since 21 Nov, 2018
Are the dither plugins supposed be just a grey box with nothing to tweak and just work as is ? I'm also assuming we need to put them on master as last in the chain in order for the dithering to work properly too with minimal dithering from DAW ?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1320 posts since 7 Apr, 2007 from Bellows Falls, VT
Yes. I've also got other plugins like that, for instance Guitar Conditioner, or Slew/SubsOnly. Certain plugins have no controls and are just there: you'll never need to open the window, if they're in the plugin slot and enabled they're working.
My dither plugins are especially that way: the preferred version is to settle on the one you like, and then just put it last on the 2-buss and turn DAW dither off.
I have an update coming for Dither Me Timbers, but it's for preventing overs when used with heavy limiting/clipping to 0dB. It doesn't change the level or presence boosts of the plugin because there's nothing in the plugin specifically to do that: it's an artifact of doing the 'micro treble cutting' that Dither Me Timbers does. This was never technically a 'dither' and never linear: it's something else, implemented as simply as possible, and tonal changes it produces are just part of how it does its thing. Another user found a broad, low-Q presence lift over most of the audio band, and there's no code in there to cause it: it just happens.
People seem to be liking it more than I expected: good thing I have a fix for the overs thing, as it turns out there are a lot of people wanting to use it on full slam over-loud stuff.
My dither plugins are especially that way: the preferred version is to settle on the one you like, and then just put it last on the 2-buss and turn DAW dither off.
I have an update coming for Dither Me Timbers, but it's for preventing overs when used with heavy limiting/clipping to 0dB. It doesn't change the level or presence boosts of the plugin because there's nothing in the plugin specifically to do that: it's an artifact of doing the 'micro treble cutting' that Dither Me Timbers does. This was never technically a 'dither' and never linear: it's something else, implemented as simply as possible, and tonal changes it produces are just part of how it does its thing. Another user found a broad, low-Q presence lift over most of the audio band, and there's no code in there to cause it: it just happens.
People seem to be liking it more than I expected: good thing I have a fix for the overs thing, as it turns out there are a lot of people wanting to use it on full slam over-loud stuff.
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- Banned
- 480 posts since 28 Apr, 2017
HI Chris,
I'm using the current version of DMT for it's tonal characteristics before my limiter and follow that with Righteous4. You've stated that DMT is not technically a dither so there shouldn't be a concern for double dithering in this scenario??
I'm using the current version of DMT for it's tonal characteristics before my limiter and follow that with Righteous4. You've stated that DMT is not technically a dither so there shouldn't be a concern for double dithering in this scenario??
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1320 posts since 7 Apr, 2007 from Bellows Falls, VT
Yes, that's bad. I mean, you can do it, but you're just low-bittifying your mix for no reason which goes contrary to what Righteous does, and so does the limiter.
I would try picking between EITHER Righteous4, or use the limiter going into Dither Me Timbers (soon enough you'll have a DMT that stands up to heavy limiting, until then don't slam, slamming into Righteous is ridiculous anyway). Until I have a proper level-sensitive EQ, it's not good to use Dither Me Timbers in other positions than final dither.
It's complicated explaining this: just did it over at the purple-forum. I keep saying DMT is not a dither because it doesn't try to make the audio more linear and doesn't remove/decorrelate quantization noise like dither would. It CHANGES quantization noise into lowpass filtering (and the noise shaping that makes it sound nicer, also produces a presence boost I didn't plan to add). For that reason it's got to take the place of a dither, otherwise it can't work: and once it has worked, you've got quantized audio and can't do further dithering, you're already at fixed point.
It's tricky, but that's because this has never existed before: nobody has ever done a wordlength reducer that specifically uses quantization to EQ instead of to linearize. If it wasn't a completely new thing, it'd be easier to explain but you gotta use it in the place of a dither, otherwise it might not even work. If you did NJAD or Righteous into it, it wouldn't even work, it'd do nothing.