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fluffy_little_something · Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:09 pm

AnX wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:58 pm
fluffy_little_something wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:33 pm It might be more useful if envelope times were shown in ms and s, instead of %, especially since they are not linear.

i used to think that, because some synths had it. Then i realised there wasnt a single occasion i set the knobs to a specific time as i used my ears to shape the sound.

can you give an example of where it would be useful?

Hard to say. Maybe I was simply looking for some sort of orientation as the knobs are so different from sliders, they seem to cover only 270° of the full circle. I just don't like knobs for envelopes

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:16 pm

Well... it can be useful. E.g. for pads, i have a certain "sweet spot" at about 5 to 6 seconds attack time, and 7 or 8 seconds release time. Envelope time display also indicates how long the envelope stages are at maximum. Problem is, like with frequency display for the Cutoff knob, that the time can vary when the envelopes are modulated, e.g. by keytracking.

fluffy_little_something · Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:18 pm

You mean ms rather than s?

Ghost Dog · Post by **Ghost Dog** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:20 pm

What an unreasonable request!

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:21 pm

No. Seconds. Can you make pads with 5 or 6 milliseconds attack time, and 7 or 8 milliseconds release?

I mean, i suppose you could... but... it wouldn't really be pads.

Ghost Dog · Post by **Ghost Dog** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:24 pm

chk071 wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:21 pm No. Seconds. Can you make pads with 5 or 6 milliseconds attack time, and 7 or 8 milliseconds release? I mean, i suppose you could... but... it wouldn't really be pads.

Haven't you seen any pluck pads? With a fast attack, but then it drops and turns into an evolving texture?!

fluffy_little_something · Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:30 pm

chk071 wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:21 pm No. Seconds. Can you make pads with 5 or 6 milliseconds attack time, and 7 or 8 milliseconds release? I mean, i suppose you could... but... it wouldn't really be pads.

Ah, hadn't "consciously" read the word pads.
I think the term "sweet spot" caused a contradiction with 5-8 seconds in my mind, more of a massive sweet range

With such very slow times, the unit doesn't matter to me, in such cases I also trust my ears only. And a certain difference doesn't really matter, unlike with short times on snappy sounds, where a ms can make a difference.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:33 pm

Ghost Dog wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:24 pm
chk071 wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:21 pm No. Seconds. Can you make pads with 5 or 6 milliseconds attack time, and 7 or 8 milliseconds release? I mean, i suppose you could... but... it wouldn't really be pads.
Haven't you seen any pluck pads? With a fast attack, but then it drops and turns into an evolving texture?!

Well, OK then. I meant those slowly fading in fading out ones though.

rezoneight · Post by **rezoneight** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:37 pm

AnX wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:15 am
rezoneight wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:42 am
AnX wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:55 pm
rezoneight wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:09 pm Have to say I really don't understand all the wanking over this stuff. What Hive or any or synth/manufacturer has done is irrelevant. Synapse can call it what they want and charge what they want for any upgrade. The fact is for Dune 2 we all got some nice updates for free. They have now decided that the version number is being bumped and if you're a previous owner the upgrade cost is $79. If you don't think the new features plus the new sounds is worth $79 then simply don't buy it and continue to use Dune 2.
are you new here?
Nah I beat you by about 11 years Just tired of this type of behavior and I don't see the point of coming to forums to talk shit about people doing hard work. And I just don't get the energy people seem to have to come into this forum (or any other for that matter) and keep doing it, day after day.

well, i was kidding, totally agree (and ive been here since 2000/2001)

Yeah hence the wink...knew you were being sarcastic

Was just going based on our member since dates.

SoundPorn · Post by **SoundPorn** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:00 pm

I just have to say a 5 second attack time is absolutely ridiculous lol.

Ghost Dog · Post by **Ghost Dog** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:03 pm

SoundPorn wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:00 pm I just have to say a 5 second attack time is absolutely ridiculous lol.

Not necessarily. Depends on the actual shape of the envelope.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:10 pm

SoundPorn wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:00 pm I just have to say a 5 second attack time is absolutely ridiculous lol.

id like longer!

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:10 pm

Ghost Dog wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:03 pm
SoundPorn wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:00 pm I just have to say a 5 second attack time is absolutely ridiculous lol.
Not necessarily. Depends on the actual shape of the envelope.

and what you want to achieve with them

Ghost Dog · Post by **Ghost Dog** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:13 pm

vurt wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:10 pm
Ghost Dog wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:03 pm
SoundPorn wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:00 pm I just have to say a 5 second attack time is absolutely ridiculous lol.
Not necessarily. Depends on the actual shape of the envelope.
and what you want to achieve with them

Especially with up to eight layers of sound, one of them "chiming-in" late(r) tends to be very interesting.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:14 pm

Ghost Dog wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:13 pm
vurt wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:10 pm
Ghost Dog wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:03 pm
SoundPorn wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:00 pm I just have to say a 5 second attack time is absolutely ridiculous lol.
Not necessarily. Depends on the actual shape of the envelope.
and what you want to achieve with them
Especially with up to eight layers of sound, one of them "chiming-in" late(r) tends to be very interesting.

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