u-he Hive 1.2 - free update - adds wavetables and more

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Ultra hardcore fans and big ego developer vs couple of uhe supporters who dared to say something not positive about one of the products. I have Zebra 2 and Ill take it to grave with me, but this kind of attitude really pushes me away from future uhe products. As Urs said couple of posts before, he is satisfied with detune/supersaw tech in Hive and he doesnt intend to change it (update it), that just answered that Hives detunes/supersaw tech is not the same one as in some other popular synths. Ok, Hive wont be no1. synth for big hyper saw leads and thats it, but I am sure people will use it for other sounds because its a great product. Anyway, claiming its detune/supersaw tech is out of this world and its advanced, I must say its not better than some competitor products, sorry. Now, flaming vs couple of supporters of uhe products can begin.

ps my feedback about this detune/supersaw thing was out of good intention, cause I wanted to see tech updated so I can use only Hive in my projects...I meant no disrespect and I certainly didnt troll, but ultra hardcore fan boys (90% of them never released a single track on world scale level aka major label) instantly felt attacked, which is sad...

I'm still legitimately hoping someone will post audio. I loaded up Hive yesterday, tried to make a big supersaw lead, and did so. Didn't like the built in reverb, which (oddly) sounded like it never got wet enough, so used Valhalla VintageVerb but was otherwise happy with the results. But I don't make EDM so maybe I'm just missing something. And I don't know those other synths at all (don't own Hive yet either but like what I've heard). That's why I keep asking to hear audio. I want to hear what other people consider a good detuned supersaw compared to what Hive does. Should be easy enough to create a similar supersaw patch in a few different synths, turn effects off and post audio.

I'm really asking, and not trying to troll or be a fanboy...legit curious.

[vurt]

Now i got interested!
I will test sylenth1. Spire. Avenger and hive and post gifs/pics so we get results instead of blablabla.

surely "sound examples" would be better than a pic of a preset?
or am i totally missing something??

[chk071]

Contructive criticism is a good thing and also understand different opinions, but U-he is just responding respectfully to a lot of nonsensical comments and very wrong conclusions people is bringing all together, I'm thinking if they are trolls or something but who knows...

I don't doubt that Urs is responding respectfully, and to the best of his opinion/knowledge. I still think he's wrong though (at least about the point i discussed with him). It's his product, so he's protective, because they put a lot of work and effort in it. Fair enough. Case closed for me. Repeat: I still think he's wrong about it though.

But then, i can't see why there wouldn't be a place for Hive in EDM as well. IMO, it rather sounds harsh/metallic/thin, and not as creamy/full/warm as some other plugins, especially Spire, but, hey, fair enough. Can't argue about taste.

Note that i think u-he does classy analog modelled stuff. Just a bit disappointed about Hive really.

[Caine123]

Now i got interested!
I will test sylenth1. Spire. Avenger and hive and post gifs/pics so we get results instead of blablabla.

surely "sound examples" would be better than a pic of a preset?
or am i totally missing something??

Sounds + settings of course. Sorry forgot a word

[chk071]

I'm still legitimately hoping someone will post audio.

I always considered making some kind of "ultimate" soft synth shootout, which would end any of these discussions (or would it? ), but, i'm afraid, even if i did, people who have no idea about the respective music, or intention to ever create it, or sounds for it, would come in, and say "Hey... i like that stuff…" even if it sounds like utter shit. You know, kind of the same problem with democracy. People with no taste, or any idea are allowed to vote, and that reflects in the end result.

[JunSev]

Contructive criticism is a good thing and also understand different opinions, but U-he is just responding respectfully to a lot of nonsensical comments and very wrong conclusions people is bringing all together, I'm thinking if they are trolls or something but who knows...

I don't doubt that Urs is responding respectfully, and to the best of his opinion/knowledge. I still think he's wrong though (at least about the point i discussed with him). It's his product, so he's protective, because they put a lot of work and effort in it. Fair enough. Case closed for me. Repeat: I still think he's wrong about it though.

But then, i can't see why there wouldn't be a place for Hive in EDM as well. IMO, it rather sounds harsh/metallic/thin, and not as creamy/full/warm as some other plugins, especially Spire, but, hey, fair enough. Can't argue about taste.

Note that i think u-he does classy analog modelled stuff. Just a bit disappointed about Hive really.

One of the biggest wrong conclusion you have is consider Hive as a no-so-good alternative for EDM just because is not like widely used in EDM communities or some big personalities, that's why today there are a lot of underrated synth and a lot of many overrated synths too.

It is not about how many people is doing mention of it or popularity, is about what it contains, what offers and how it goes in the mix, that's why I love underrated synths very often...

[HcDoom]

Ok, this is made with a non uhe synth - 2 osc plus sub, no additonal effects or tricks. Can someone replicate this hypersaw like sound in Hive?

https://instaud.io/33Dz

[EvilDragon]

Urs, I think out of all things Fluffy said, there is one (and exactly one) thing I agree with.

Semitone knob (for the sub) has weird scaling. I would expect that it would be quantized in semitones when moving it with mouse or via mousewheel (one mousewheel notch = one semitone). Then with Shift go all the places in between. Or at least make it scale like filter cutoff knob, one notch is half a semitone. This would make it much easier to hit whole semitone numbers just with mousewheel.

That makes sense to me. 0.40 as one mousewheel notch? Doesn't make a lot of sense, IMHO.

[Caine123]

Urs, I think out of all things Fluffy said, there is one (and exactly one) thing I agree with.

Semitone knob (for the sub) has weird scaling. I would expect that it would be quantized in semitones when moving it with mouse or via mousewheel (one mousewheel notch = one semitone). Then with Shift go all the places in between. Or at least make it scale like filter cutoff knob, one notch is half a semitone. This would make it much easier to hit whole semitone numbers just with mousewheel.

That makes sense to me. 0.40 as one mousewheel notch? Doesn't make a lot of sense, IMHO.

Agreed !

[Urs]

Ok, this is made with a non uhe synth - 2 osc plus sub, no additonal effects or tricks. Can someone replicate this hypersaw like sound in Hive?

https://instaud.io/33Dz

Sounds like an organ with white noise. Should be easy enough?

[Urs]

Urs, I think out of all things Fluffy said, there is one (and exactly one) thing I agree with.

Semitone knob (for the sub) has weird scaling. I would expect that it would be quantized in semitones when moving it with mouse or via mousewheel (one mousewheel notch = one semitone). Then with Shift go all the places in between. Or at least make it scale like filter cutoff knob, one notch is half a semitone. This would make it much easier to hit whole semitone numbers just with mousewheel.

That makes sense to me. 0.40 as one mousewheel notch? Doesn't make a lot of sense, IMHO.

Agreed !

+1 - will add it to our list.

[EvilDragon]

Thanks

[pdxindy]

I'm still legitimately hoping someone will post audio.

I always considered making some kind of "ultimate" soft synth shootout, which would end any of these discussions (or would it? ), but, i'm afraid, even if i did, people who have no idea about the respective music, or intention to ever create it, or sounds for it, would come in, and say "Hey... i like that stuff…" even if it sounds like utter shit. You know, kind of the same problem with democracy. People with no taste, or any idea are allowed to vote, and that reflects in the end result.

Viewpoints are so subjective... and some characteristics are probably pretty hard to clearly demonstrate. Detuning and supersaw sounds however are (IMO) one of the places it is fairly easy to show which ones do it well and which less so.

And of course it is helpful to isolate specific functions. So showing how the envelopes sound and not everything together.

I'd be interested to hear such comparisons.

[Urs]

Repeat: I still think he's wrong about it though.

What is "it"?

But then, i can't see why there wouldn't be a place for Hive in EDM as well. IMO, it rather sounds harsh/metallic/thin, and not as creamy/full/warm as some other plugins, especially Spire, but, hey, fair enough. Can't argue about taste.

Note that i think u-he does classy analog modelled stuff. Just a bit disappointed about Hive really.

LOL. So Hive is too harsh, but can't sound as harsh as HcDoom's example. So it's too mellow and too metallic at once for a mysterious musical style that I know nothing about. Is that "it"?

I'm sorry, I do not really know how to respond to some of these things without risking to sound condescending. I totally get it if people don't like it. They can express that any way they want, but please stay away from esoteric fabrications which have no meaning.

[pdxindy]

Ok, this is made with a non uhe synth - 2 osc plus sub, no additonal effects or tricks. Can someone replicate this hypersaw like sound in Hive?

https://instaud.io/33Dz

Better to post the synth you used and the preset. Then anyone with that synth can try out the sound and see how it is constructed. That makes it much easier to try and duplicate. With 3 Osc's and I assume a filter and envelop that is already a lot of variables to be in the dark about.