u-he Hive 1.2 - free update - adds wavetables and more

[THE INTRANCER]

Another feature suggestion, would there be any chance of increasing the the Step Sequencer from 16 to 64 parts ? Having recently upgraded to Studio One 4, which now has a 64 part drum sequencer, so I thought it would be cool to have it with Hive also to match the duration. I use the step sequencer a lot with Hive so it would nice to get more creative in the sequencing department. You could build whole melodies from tracks with the greater range of steps and would compliment the evolving wavetable type sounds as they are gated for example.

[fluffy_little_something]

Was just playing around with the WT feature. While I am not so sure about its musicality, it makes funny noises, like these space pigs having lunch

https://app.box.com/s/tgxbezfv4y5npuou16n8qyr3rydxcq2k

[keel]

There is some GUI issues in Hive and FL. If you open Hive, leave it open, do something in FL, like open piano roll and do things there, the open Hive GUI in background is blinking white or something. It happens all the time. Latest Hive and latest official FL here.

[fluffy_little_something]

There are similar white patches at times in Mulab...

[Ranoka]

There is some GUI issues in Hive and FL. If you open Hive, leave it open, do something in FL, like open piano roll and do things there, the open Hive GUI in background is blinking white or something. It happens all the time. Latest Hive and latest official FL here.

It was mentioned in the u-he forum Hive 1.2 thread that it's related to UI optimisation
viewtopic.php?p=7253361#p7253361

[PlasticSoul]

Hi guys, how hive now with wavetable support compares to serum in capabilities to reproduce its future bass, dubstep wobbles, chillstep sounds and etc soundsets? I mean, urs said hive is a sylenth1 alternative, can it be a serum (maybe a massive) alternative now too?
I'm a "trance guy" but nowadays I'm listening some of the "modern genres" above and thinking if hive can deal with it too.
Ps.: I just own sylenth1 and massive (komplete 9) and I'm always in doubt in what will be my first u-he synth, so I never buy one...
But after watching lots of Steve Duda's interviews (such a nice bloke and a charismatic guy) Serum is getting my love but I like this urs guy too...

[EvilDragon]

Why don't you try tweaking it and see where it gets you?

Also, check the demos from this post

[PlasticSoul]

Why don't you try tweaking it and see where it gets you?

Also, check the demos from this post

Thanks EvilDragon, I listened to it and it sounds amazing, but I asked in a more technical way and I'm not so experienced in sound design like you guys are, in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=447000&start=15
urs answered about "hive extras to compete with sylenth1", maybe he can answer now a "hive with wavetables extras to compete with serum" question...
Sorry, I was not clear in my first post.

[Urs]

urs said hive is a sylenth1 alternative, can it be a serum (maybe a massive) alternative now too?

As with all such topics: It depends on what you want/need. Serum is very well established and it's advantages and disadvantages are very well known. Hive in our opinion is very underrated.

Someone on Facebook wrote the other day, paraphrasing: "Serum eats them all for breakfast", meaning Hive and other synths. I answered "not in terms of wavetable interpolation quality, CPU usage, workflow, preset management, formula parsing, modulation routing".

They are different synths. Hive doesn't do this, Serum doesn't do that.

[fmr]

Someone on Facebook wrote the other day, paraphrasing: "Serum eats them all for breakfast", meaning Hive and other synths. I answered "not in terms of wavetable interpolation quality, CPU usage, workflow, preset management, formula parsing, modulation routing".

They are different synths. Hive doesn't do this, Serum doesn't do that.

Urs, it seems you are not taking into account Serum interpolation capabilities using the Wavetable editor. Serum doesn't have interpolation "built-in" at the wavetable reader, but it can add interpolation (several kinds of interpolation, not just crossfading, and with phase correction too) if we open the wavetables in the editor and add that.

i didn't use that feature when I did the recording comparison because that's not one of the default features, but, to be completely honest, we have to refer that when comparing Serum with other wavetable synths.

[pdxindy]

Serum does not support MPE (though that is coming soonish). Serum also does not support Expression Pedal or Breath Controller. It is geared more towards automation than realtime playing.

[pdxindy]

Someone on Facebook wrote the other day, paraphrasing: "Serum eats them all for breakfast", meaning Hive and other synths. I answered "not in terms of wavetable interpolation quality, CPU usage, workflow, preset management, formula parsing, modulation routing".

They are different synths. Hive doesn't do this, Serum doesn't do that.

Urs, it seems you are not taking into account Serum interpolation capabilities using the Wavetable editor. Serum doesn't have interpolation "built-in" at the wavetable reader, but it can add interpolation (several kinds of interpolation, not just crossfading, and with phase correction too) if we open the wavetables in eht editor and add that.

i didn't use that feature when I did the recording comparison because that's not one of the default features, but, to be completely honest, we have to refer that when comparing Serum with other wavetable synths.

You are talking about a different function. Serum can generate new frames from a smaller set of existing ones. But it does not interpolate between frames in realtime while playing.

[fmr]

Someone on Facebook wrote the other day, paraphrasing: "Serum eats them all for breakfast", meaning Hive and other synths. I answered "not in terms of wavetable interpolation quality, CPU usage, workflow, preset management, formula parsing, modulation routing".

They are different synths. Hive doesn't do this, Serum doesn't do that.

Urs, it seems you are not taking into account Serum interpolation capabilities using the Wavetable editor. Serum doesn't have interpolation "built-in" at the wavetable reader, but it can add interpolation (several kinds of interpolation, not just crossfading, and with phase correction too) if we open the wavetables in eht editor and add that.

i didn't use that feature when I did the recording comparison because that's not one of the default features, but, to be completely honest, we have to refer that when comparing Serum with other wavetable synths.

You are talking about a different function. Serum can generate new frames from a smaller set of existing ones. But it does not interpolate between frames in realtime while playing.

It creates the interpolation in the wavetable, non-real-time. What's the difference?

[Urs]

Someone on Facebook wrote the other day, paraphrasing: "Serum eats them all for breakfast", meaning Hive and other synths. I answered "not in terms of wavetable interpolation quality, CPU usage, workflow, preset management, formula parsing, modulation routing".

They are different synths. Hive doesn't do this, Serum doesn't do that.

Urs, it seems you are not taking into account Serum interpolation capabilities using the Wavetable editor. Serum doesn't have interpolation "built-in" at the wavetable reader, but it can add interpolation (several kinds of interpolation, not just crossfading, and with phase correction too) if we open the wavetables in the editor and add that.

i didn't use that feature when I did the recording comparison because that's not one of the default features, but, to be completely honest, we have to refer that when comparing Serum with other wavetable synths.

I know, but it means that you have to do (tedious) extra work, and with many wavetables there will still be switching artifacts no matter what. Hive does all this in realtime, with smaller CPU footprint and less memory to store. This aspect of Serum was what led me to implementing a realtime solution.

But also: Hive also has the capability of loading several single cycle waveforms and creating additional interpolated frames in-beteen. It can also store that as .wav. But you have to use a uhm script for it. Once you got the script, you can copy/paste and do hundreds of such wavetables in a few minutes, in much less time than any UI-driven editor.

[Urs]

It creates the interpolation in the wavetable, non-real-time. What's the difference?

Still audible artifacts in many examples. Hive is like having millions of frames, not just 256.