Why the iLok hate?

[sfd]

@JunSev

Virtualization is just a long shot.

There's far form any guarantee that you would even be able to activate an old unsupported version of Windows.

As the case is with XP.

You would be dependent on the mercy of Micro$oft to run your old plug-ins, if not compatible with a current and supported version of Windows.

Indeed it's kinda funny when a dedicated Windows slave tells people to not become slaves under an "evil" company.


With all respect, are you delusional?

....and where can we listen to and enjoy your music ?

[JunSev]

@JunSev

Virtualization is just a long shot.

There's far form any guarantee that you would even be able to activate an old unsupported version of Windows.

As the case is with XP.

You would be dependent on the mercy of Micro$oft to run your old plug-ins, if not compatible with a current and supported version of Windows.

Indeed it's kinda funny when a dedicated Windows slave tells people to not become slaves under an "evil" company.


With all respect, are you delusional?

....and where can we listen to and enjoy your music ?

Not true sfd, you are wrong again, I don't know if you think that Windows is the same like apple or something, but is not like that, I can install and use a operative system in a future machine if I want to, even using a virtual machine, even if I don't have Internet or Microsoft die, not that windows is the good guys here, but at least I'm not that dependent, and my VSTs are not completely dependent of the companies. Educate yourself a little bit sfd, you are only trying to justify bad practices and obnoxious politics.

With all due respect.

[sfd]

@junsev

Micro$oft's statements, as well as their terms, are only valid until... "unless Microsoft announces otherwise."

I.e it's all up to their mercy.

But it's O.K. You made a mistake based on cognitive biases.

That happens. It's not your fault. We all have different prerequisites.

With all respect.

[chk071]

I slowly wonder if such discussions aren't better off being in the HPC forum. It's all politics, in the end.

[JunSev]

I slowly wonder if such discussions aren't better off being in the HPC forum. It's all politics, in the end.

No this is not politics, is what the users are living and passing through in a daily basis, you of course always are trying to put silence to anyone when Ilok is mentioned and the same for some others, trying to derail or convince the mods or doing something to shut down all threads where problems with Ilok have place; you have to respect the expression and different opinions. You don't like it? don't visit this thread then.

[chk071]

If you don't like iLok, simply don't buy the plugins.

Otherwise, you'll have to live with opinions different than yours. And also with people calling you out for your agitating. Because that's what it is. Otherwise you'd just not buy the plugins, vote with your wallet. I.e. do the sensible thing.

BTW, if there were so many people disliking iLok, then it would cut into sales, and companies would simply stop using iLok. It's really not that difficult to figure out. The vocal majority is a minority. Business as usual on the internet.

[JunSev]

If you don't like iLok, simply don't buy the plugins.

Otherwise, you'll have to live with opinions different than yours. And also with people calling you out for your agitating. Because that's what it is. Otherwise you'd just not buy the plugins, vote with your wallet. I.e. do the sensible thing.

BTW, if there were so many people disliking iLok, then it would cut into sales, and companies would simply stop using iLok. It's really not that difficult to figure out. The vocal majority is a minority. Business as usual on the internet.

If you have passed through a bad experience, would you like others falling in the same problem? and why is agitation? to advice is an agitation and say the reality about all of this, you sure?

And by the way, one of the reason Ilok has gone away with all of that and companies still use that is basically because many people, even included myself, don't know from the very beginning what is all this about. When I had all those disgusting experiences no one told me anything, I didn't knew was about to be like it was, then I understood how bad it is.

[chk071]

Posting about a bad experience, and posting in every single iLok thread how bad iLok is, are different things.

Apart from that, i really don't know what's left to discuss. Neither of us will change the other's mind, so why bother? I still say threads like this belong to HPC though. Because it's simply anti-iLok material, and has nothing to do with experiences from the real world. It's general anti-copy protection, and that's all it is really.

Again, if you dislike it, why not just go ahead, and use plugins which don't use iLok? That'd be the logical thing. There's really no need to moan on the internet about it, and try lure other people to your way of thinking. I don't do that. I wouldn't tell people not to worry about copy protections too much.

[JunSev]

Posting about a bad experience, and posting in every single iLok thread how bad iLok is, are different things.

Apart from that, i really don't know what's left to discuss. Neither of us will change the other's mind, so why bother? I still say threads like this belong to HPC though. Because it's simply anti-iLok material, and has nothing to do with experiences from the real world. It's general anti-copy protection, and that's all it is really.

Again, if you dislike it, why not just go ahead, and use plugins which don't use iLok? That'd be the logical thing. There's really no need to moan on the internet about it, and try lure other people to your way of thinking. I don't do that. I wouldn't tell people not to worry about copy protections too much.

Yeah sure, you are so manipulative.. do you work for Pace? every single time there is a new thread about some user having problem with this particular copy protection scheme, not all copy protections, is more than often a problem with Ilok more than normal. Always someone express one or another issue, this is not a minority (again stop your manipulation) of people, continue creating imaginary things if you want to. I don't want anyone to think like me, I'm just saying what I have passed through with Pace.

[chk071]

Yeah sure, you are so manipulative.. do you work for Pace?

See, that's what i mean.

Get a grip, stop agitating. Act for yourself. Allow others to do the same. Or keep trolling. Goodbye.

[himalaya]

If you don't like iLok, simply don't buy the plugins.

That’s a very dismissive statement. Dismissive of the fact that there are users who find some of the iLoke’d plugins amazing and despite the huge negatives of iLok, would still like to purchase and do in fact decide to purchase.

That’s what happened to me. Kush went soft-iLok and I bought their 458a plugin since it’s simply a must-buy. So I bought it but now I am at the mercy of Kush if my Mac dies since the plugin is locked to my computer. It dies, I loose the licence, and need to keep hope that Kush will sort me out. But I don’t want to build my iLok plugin collection based on the ‘hope’ that I will be helped by all companies in the eventuality if the Mac dies. So, already, this PACE system can fan the flames of anxiety which maybe reflected by the users on various forums.
Maybe the proposed cloud design would be a better solution...

[chk071]

If you don't like iLok, simply don't buy the plugins.

That’s a very dismissive statement. Dismissive of the fact that there are users who find some of the iLoke’d plugins amazing and despite the huge negatives of iLok, would still like to purchase and do in fact decide to purchase.

What exactly will change about it with a post on KVR? In contrast, what will change about it if 90% won't buy a plugin because it's iLok? Maybe my point is a bit more clear now. (Not that it's really 90% who wouldn't buy iLok protected plugins, it was merely an example to point what would really make a company consider a different copy protection)

Disregarding that JunServ is way beyond a simple complaint about something not working properly.

[himalaya]

A single post? Only serves as a window to air an opinion and provide some user feedback (to companies that may read threads like this one). I don’t expect my single post to change anything.

But, in general, such user feedback can and does change how companies go about their copy protection systems. The challange-response system as used by Black Rooster Audio was apparantly not good, according to the user posts, and so BRA changed it to be more streamlined. Now, I don’t know how bad it was before, because I became their customer post-change, and the current c/r system is seamless (love their plugins by the way, highly recommeded!). So huge kudos to BRA for listening to their users (whether on forums or via direct email comms).

And so, here’s another such post meant as user feedback: I’d buy way more iLoked plugs if they had a different copy protection system.

[chk071]

It's really difficult to have a representative result from a handful of people complaining on internet forums. Especially when you don't really see what they are complaining about exactly.

And so, here’s another such post meant as user feedback: I’d buy way more iLoked plugs if they had a different copy protection system.

Ok, so here's another feedback then: I never had a single issue with iLok, so, i wouldn't hesitate to buy more iLok protected plugins. And i would buy even more if companies finally would adopt to iLok cloud protection. Because then i wouldn't have to vacate a USB port to the iLok dongle anymore.

So, companies know a handful of opinions now. Question is what it's worth to them. Probably not much. Sales figures will tell much more.

[zvenx]

I am mostly with chk071 here.
If ilok is a dealbreaker for you then indeed don't buy the plugin that requires it. Life will go on and it won't stop you from making beautiful music.
ilok software is begging for trouble, and a disaster waiting to happen, for reasons mentioned above and so many places elsewhere.
ilok cloud showed it limitations today.
I only use ilok hardware, and in over 18 years it has rarely if ever given me trouble.
rsp