Today, it is far easier than before to start music production.
You have (to name a few) :
- Vengeance samples (production ready)
- Nexus2 (production ready)
And a bunch of high quality soft synths.
The fact is everyone use vengeance samples.
But, the result is shitty in amateur productions : The drums are too weak or too loud, the synth leads have no expression.
On the other hand, these same Guys who make these shitty quality songs (I don't blame it, it is normal as they begin) are the same That one year later will put a focus on the mixing stage (and very often still with a lack of musicality).
And what happens then is something even weird. I think the best example is to look on some Youtube videos about mixing edm kicks.
Usually, the guy will use a bunch of samples layering, with a bunch of effects (eq, compression, saturation, multiband compression, transient designer, eq) for a really bad quality result.
For instance, someone trying to recreate an Avicii kick will use a dozen kicks layers with a dozen effects applied on.
But did Avicii really do That ? Maybe he Just find the good sample, applied then the RIGHT audio processing, and That was all ?
What kills me is the complexity of the amateurs productions...basically, while their tracks are basically empty, their mixers are full of effects.
This is difficult for someone like me wich want to progress, because it make You trust That the more You process, the better You are.
Also, when I listen to a Vengeance pack demo, I really find that the samples sounds perfect.
I think that they probably put additional processing to make them sounds that good on the demo, but nothing complex I believe.
So, in fact, why noobs are noobs, and pro are pro ?
In theory, everyone having access to a huge number of high quality libraries would ensure that, at least, every tracks, even the one made by unexperienced, should sound "ok".
But in fact, it is not the case.
So, do you think making pro quality tracks is all about complex productions techniques (like creating your kick from 7 kick samples + 10 fx) or is it more about having a good idea, musicality, and finding the good sound (find the right kick and add it the right compression and EQ it need).
It is a question I have in head everyday
Music production : why noobs are noobs ?
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- 111301 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- 111301 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRian
- 1182 posts since 11 Sep, 2015
the newcomers aren't making crappy tunes because they're noobs, but because they're from an unfortunate generation of de-nationalized plebs, as hopeless at artistic beauty as for cool factor and originality.
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- 5383 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
Because you have a never-ending difficulty hearing high frequencies, Notre Dame:
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- KVRAF
- 35679 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
IMO, it's not so much about absolute skills. Rather about good taste, and a good ear. Really, when i listen to sound demos of presets from really good sound designers, i always notice how spot on great they sound. They just know what makes a sound sound good and special. And they have taste. IMO, that's much more important to have the absolute production skills. Or, rather, there won't be the absolute production skills, without good ears and good taste.
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Why do You say That ?Michael L wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:43 pmBecause you have a never-ending difficulty hearing high frequencies, Notre Dame:
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- 8076 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
I don't worry about "pro quality tracks." I make the music that wants to be made in that moment.Tijs35 wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:21 pmSo, do you think making pro quality tracks is all about complex productions techniques (like creating your kick from 7 kick samples + 10 fx) or is it more about having a good idea, musicality, and finding the good sound (find the right kick and add it the right compression and EQ it need).
Sometimes that calls for complexity, sometimes simplicity.
I will say that mostly I use shorter FX chains now than I did 15 years ago. I also use fewer tracks.
Judgement is the most important skill. It's something that should improve with practice, as much or more than anything else.chk071 wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:44 pmIMO, it's not so much about absolute skills. Rather about good taste, and a good ear.
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- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Well, the track there sounds like shit, so...
You seem to be awakening to the fact that a lot of people talk bullshit. I'd go with vurt's basic admonishment, be that change which you seek.
Other than that, I generally proceeded from the notion that if someone thinks you have to layer just to get a decent bass tone or "kick" the chances are pretty good they never made anything sound by itself, endeavoring to get a good sound by themselves on one o' them old timey things called a musical instrument.
You seem to be awakening to the fact that a lot of people talk bullshit. I'd go with vurt's basic admonishment, be that change which you seek.
Other than that, I generally proceeded from the notion that if someone thinks you have to layer just to get a decent bass tone or "kick" the chances are pretty good they never made anything sound by itself, endeavoring to get a good sound by themselves on one o' them old timey things called a musical instrument.
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- 4727 posts since 25 Mar, 2006 from The city by the bay
acYm wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:38 pm the newcomers aren't making crappy tunes because they're noobs, but because they're from an unfortunate generation of de-nationalized plebs, as hopeless at artistic beauty as for cool factor and originality.
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- 8076 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
It's the sort of thing a noob would do because they saw it in a tutorial or read it in a magazine, and think they have to do it to sound "pro."jancivil wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:05 pmOther than that, I generally proceeded from the notion that if someone thinks you have to layer just to get a decent bass tone or "kick" the chances are pretty good they never made anything sound by itself, endeavoring to get a good sound by themselves on one o' them old timey things called a musical instrument.
The biggest mistake is trying to sound pro and thus trying to imitate what they think pros must do, which must be complicated because they're pros, right?
Instead of "pro" go for "right"... which of course means having good judgement and the confidence to stand by one's decisions.
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- 2547 posts since 15 Jan, 2013 from L'Écosse
At the end of the day make music that sounds good to you, and only you, for only you can please yourself. No one became great because they followed the herd. It is what goes on in your head and in your heart that counts. Don't automatically assume that pro = good. These days it's probably 90% marketing and 10% any real talent.