Ableton Live Poll

[pottering]

Push API is MIDI-based and hence open to all controllers.

It is what underlies apps like Yeco and Touchable, and also scripts like ClyphX or MPE_Util.

Of course, can also be used by other hardware MIDI controllers.

So improvements in the Live software nominally for Push are not only for Push owners, despite appearances.

[bmanic]

I'll be pretty sad if they release another Push. Push 2 is so incredibly badly supported and still so much in it's infancy that it really boggles the mind.

It's display and numerous buttons would allow it to be a completely "hands off mouse" music production experience but it's nowhere even remotely close to that yet. It could be an amazing sequencer but there are so many small basic workflow things completely missing. Basically it would be possible to make it an Electron <insert any model with sequencer> on steroids (kind of what Live is in my opinion) but it's infuriatingly limited as a controller considering the potential.

yeah it is a bit frustrating, the wasted potential of this cool device.
to be fair, if one only uses the integrated Live instruments and effects, you get lots of mileage from a Push.
but that's a rare scenario, everyone has their vst's they like to use. Push just wasn't designed as something that can work well for universal plugin control. there's more focus on making flashy stuff happen on the pads with the max4live devices.

I just wish they'd concentrate on making the Push 2 a good standalone sequencer. It has the potential to absolutely rule the universe in this regard but it's so ridiculously limited in attention to details in this regard that it kills me!

For instance, we _almost_ have the same functionality as the mighty Electron hardware stuff when it comes to step automation. We can do the actual automation extremely easily, just like on an Electron device.. but we can NOT delete one single step automation once it's done! We can only delete all automation for the selected function within a pattern.

Things like these are all over the place when it comes to the usability/workflow of the Push 2. They put in features and then only think it through half way.. almost as if the development team for Push 2 aren't actually using the device themselves, or at least not in any more complex fashion other than pushing a few pads and calling it a day.

[acYm]

step automation and motion sequencing aren't trendy right now... many prefer to program it with a mouse afterwards, "because you have to edit it anyway".
musicianship in the studio is a scarce commodity.

[W23]

I know where your coming from. I never really used my Push 2’s step sequencer either. I always use a mouse, myself. Push seems to really want to captivate the “live drumming” crowd at this time. That’s not really my thing. I like to work at higher BPMs, and while it’s definitely possible to chop an Amen Break and trigger it live, I still like to mouse all that stuff in. I’m just more satisfied with the results when I do it that way

[ozinga]

I am expecting a cheaper smaller form factor Push (Unless they have an agreement with Novation not to get in to that area) and Push 3 with maybe some sort of touch screen like the leaked Akai APC Live but still bound to computer.
As for the software side I am hoping for more functionality in arrangement and piano roll with focus on more linear programming but I don't think this will happen soon.

[bmanic]

step automation and motion sequencing aren't trendy right now... many prefer to program it with a mouse afterwards, "because you have to edit it anyway".
musicianship in the studio is a scarce commodity.

My main point was that they do indeed insert all kinds of features into Push but do not seem to think it through. This is the case with a number of functions in Push 2.

Pretty much the only thing missing from making this thing great is some fairly rudimentary workflow features. They are very close to making it an awesome hands-off-mouse experience for sequencing.

[thecontrolcentre]

Push3 could integrate audio & midi ... that might be interesting. It would have to good to get me to upgrade again. And a proper crossfader.

[DJ Warmonger]

I know where your coming from. I never really used my Push 2’s step sequencer either. I always use a mouse, myself. Push seems to really want to captivate the “live drumming” crowd at this time. That’s not really my thing. I like to work at higher BPMs, and while it’s definitely possible to chop an Amen Break and trigger it live, I still like to mouse all that stuff in. I’m just more satisfied with the results when I do it that way

Uhh, then you don't need a MIDI controller anyway?

Using different tool yields different result. I sometimes build sequences or record automation from Push just to get something different than I could do with mouse.

Push3 could integrate audio & midi/quote]
That's the thing, audio integration in Machine MK3 is an important selling point for me. Less devices, more portability.

[jonljacobi]

you are just guessing... the upgrade history says otherwise

Whatever the speculation about the next Live update, the Bitwig yearly cycle comes around just like clockwork

Bitwig needs them more.