Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

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dreamvoid
KVRist
224 posts since 8 Jun, 2009

Post Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:42 pm

jochicago wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:08 pm
TrueVerb is meek, hides its tail, disappears in the mix. XenoVerb is a proud reverb. If you set it wrong it will sound rough, inappropriate, muddy or worse. If you set it right it will bring warmth, lush and that missing factor that pulls everything together.
TrueVerb is a classic and its function IS to "disappear" in a mix to give a hint of depth without sounding like reverb. Recently a friend demonstrated this to me again when sending me a mix for high profile client as postpro work with TrueVerb on Brass and Strings - very clear.
Concerning XenoVerb - it is a completely different kind of reverb and while I have several high end hardware and software reverbs I choose it in my professional work for a nice dense diffusion which let certain sounds bloom and shine. It is a very good tool. I do program my own settings - the presets are a bit mediocre.

jochicago
KVRist
243 posts since 26 Feb, 2018

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:04 pm

I think I'm going to sound mostly in agreement. What TrueVerb does it does well: add a safe and gentle amount of realistic room reverb to anything, in a way that's hard to mess it up.

I think my point in bringing TrueVerb up is that not all reverbs are made the same, so while I don't really think in terms of "this" is better than "that", it's important to keep in mind that the tool must fit the application. The cool thing about XenoVerb is that it has many algorithms, so it can fit many applications in ways that something like TrueVerb just isn't suited. A more lush reverb can do so much more for your mix, but also fall hard on its face if you can't quite find the right settings for it.

I say this because it is easy to open up an instance of XenoVerb, try a few presets and think "this isn't working". If you do that to TrueVerb you'll think "ok, it all fits". But that's not a fair assessment until you've mixed something with it and really try to bring the most out of your music using reverb. Then a tool that's putting itself on the line to try to give you much more can really make everything shine.

Can a safe and unassuming reverb work for most songs? Sort of. But if that's what we are going for, then why EQ beyond fixing errors, or compress past making things loud enough, or add delays or saturation. Why bother with tailored FX buses or trying to sculpt the tone of your song.

So in short: I think TrueVerb (safe and unassuming) is fine if you are not sure what you are doing with verb, or you have a busy song and nothing seems to sit right, or you are doing something hyper-realistic. But for most songs you can probably elevate the music using a more weighted reverb.

jochicago
KVRist
243 posts since 26 Feb, 2018

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:50 pm

Final test – I hope this is helpful. I wanted to hear something softer like an acoustic performance, to test if TrueVerb would shine under that scenario, and how Xenoverb might compare.

For this test I also include Eventide UltraReverb. When I was playing around I found a setting in all 3 plugins that seemed to showcase the middle-of-the-road clean room, with the same decay (1.4s). So I went with those presets for each plugin.

As usual, you might choose a different reverb setting and I tried to match volumes, etc. Take this with a grain of salt considering that both Xenoverb and UltraReverb offer a ton of versatility and hundreds of presets. I’m hoping this shows the general aesthetic of the clean room reverbs in practice.

Overkill – Xenoverb
https://instaud.io/38Yq

Overkill – Eventide UltraReverb
https://instaud.io/38Ym

Overkill – Waves TrueVerb
https://instaud.io/38Yj


BTW, you are listening to Colin Hay, recorded by Telefunken. Session files available if you follow the link:
youtu.be/quzZaJI4b1A

Buckster
KVRist
42 posts since 27 Nov, 2016

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:27 pm

what an idiot - demoed this for a number of days - remembered to go and buy and was 10 minutes past midnight of the day the offer expired - grrr

will teach me to procrastinate lol - oh well hopefully there will be another sale sometime

Halonmusic
KVRAF
1810 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:43 pm

Buckster wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:27 pm
what an idiot - demoed this for a number of days - remembered to go and buy and was 10 minutes past midnight of the day the offer expired - grrr

will teach me to procrastinate lol - oh well hopefully there will be another sale sometime
Be shure to check Plugin Boutique often for deals on Audiority's plugins.

SoundPorn
KVRist
323 posts since 24 Jul, 2018

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:18 am

Have you ever bought a plugin before? You have to create an account for mostly all these companies and even more if most of them now have they're own plugin manager you have to download and keep on your desktop. This is like the pettiest gripe possible.

And I have Tonebooster Reverb4 too, and they're both different, TB Reverb4 don't have nothing like the Glass, Flow, Spring, Bode and Formant algorithms that Xenoverb has and there no difference between it's hall, room and plate presets its the same algo.

But worse yet you have to creat an account with ToneBoosters too and download they're entire plugin library installer just for the reverb.
BrokenTrance wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:34 pm
Probably i would buy ToneBoosters reverb with Shimmer if i knew that i most create account on Audiority site to get license. :)

SoundPorn
KVRist
323 posts since 24 Jul, 2018

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:21 am

PluginBoutique is the worse with their sale change dates because this happened to me like 3 times. In fact when I bought Xenoverb I tried buying 2 Soundspot plugins that were still $1 then I add them to my cart and they changed to $5 despite it saying the sale was still on for 2 more days. SMH.
With that said I love PIB
Buckster wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:27 pm
what an idiot - demoed this for a number of days - remembered to go and buy and was 10 minutes past midnight of the day the offer expired - grrr

will teach me to procrastinate lol - oh well hopefully there will be another sale sometime

SoundPorn
KVRist
323 posts since 24 Jul, 2018

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:33 am

LOL dude is this copy pasta? Like what you said could basically be said about mostly any reverb. And you only mentioned 2 other reverbs at that despite supposedly testing it against 12.

Even worse you wrote a whole review without mentioning what makes Xenoverb unique, amazing and essential. That's the Glass, Flow, Bode, Formant and Shimmer algos. You're not really getting them in other reverbs.

If you can't find Xenoverb in a mix with one of them algos on it's cuz it's bypassed. To really make it shine you got to modulate the paremeters. Modulate the note knob on shimmer, modulate the vowel on formant, modulate the bandwith on Bode ect. Even better hit FREEZE then modulate.

I had the Twangstorm demo and really liked the dark sound of it, so i put 2 instances of Xenoverb one with Spring, the other with Bode and was able to get a similar sound at a fraction of the cpu.

I had major reverb gas, then I bought H Reverb and now this during the holidays and I feel cured. Those 2 cover basically any type of sound you could want, along with an IR verb too.





jochicago wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:08 pm
I’m fresh from more testing. I compared XenoVerb against 12 other reverbs in my library, either free or low cost/included with the DAWs.


CPU usage: On my PC it used about 2-3%. That puts it around the upper middle of the reverbs I tested. For comparison, that's about half of the CPU requirements of an instance of TDR Nova for me.

SoundPorn
KVRist
323 posts since 24 Jul, 2018

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:46 am

That Eventide sounds really good. The SP2016 is my favorite sounding reverb it;s like audio silk, I couldn't justify buying at that price tag tho with my other needs.

But what is the key and chords to that song because I like the vibe I wanna loop it and make a beat out of it.
jochicago wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:50 pm
Final test – I hope this is helpful. I wanted to hear something softer like an acoustic performance, to test if TrueVerb would shine under that scenario, and how Xenoverb might compare.

For this test I also include Eventide UltraReverb. When I was playing around I found a setting in all 3 plugins that seemed to showcase the middle-of-the-road clean room, with the same decay (1.4s). So I went with those presets for each plugin.

As usual, you might choose a different reverb setting and I tried to match volumes, etc. Take this with a grain of salt considering that both Xenoverb and UltraReverb offer a ton of versatility and hundreds of presets. I’m hoping this shows the general aesthetic of the clean room reverbs in practice.

Overkill – Xenoverb
https://instaud.io/38Yq

Overkill – Eventide UltraReverb
https://instaud.io/38Ym

Overkill – Waves TrueVerb
https://instaud.io/38Yj


BTW, you are listening to Colin Hay, recorded by Telefunken. Session files available if you follow the link:
youtu.be/quzZaJI4b1A

jochicago
KVRist
243 posts since 26 Feb, 2018

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:28 pm

SoundPorn wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:33 am
LOL dude is this copy pasta? Like what you said could basically be said about mostly any reverb. And you only mentioned 2 other reverbs at that despite supposedly testing it against 12 [...]
What do you take exception with, that I compared it to other reverbs for my own testing, or that I said the CPU usage is reasonable?

If I had made a write up about how it fairs against every other reverb my post would have been 3 pages long. It was already a full page keeping it short and only comparing directly to 5 reverbs (S1 stock, OrilRiver and Waves TrueVerb). I didn't think I needed to call out 6 more reverbs. I specifically choose those comparisons because I thought they told the story: it's better than any stock reverb in my library, some free reverbs will get you there if you work them, and XenoVerb can also produce a very natural sound like established reverbs.

From that perspective you also missed my point about "losing XenoVerb in the mix". I meant that as a compliment. I work with rooms, halls and plates because I find those sound realistic and fit my needs. I want a reverb that feels like home in a mix in a realistic way. I wanted to say that XenoVerb can definitely do that, and I specifically compared it to another reverb that does that exceedingly well but without XenoVerb's bolder character.

I wasn't writing an exhaustive review of the plugin's features, I was giving my opinion as I see it for my needs, and trying to be helpful. At the time I didn't write more details about the other algos because I didn't have experience with them. I did say that XenoVerb is very versatile and has multiple algos. Since then I've experimented with some of the other algorithms and I find them quite useful for creative purposes, like creating a unique ambiance track out of the drums track.

And about UltraReverb: I do prefer it by a distance for room sounds (my go-to). UltraReverb is on point, very easy to find a sound that works, and the extensive features built in (delay, comp, eq) mean that you can customize in a single place, but also that the presets are much more powerful because they can take advantage of 3 more processes to customize the reverb. But UltraReverb was 20 times the cost at the time of my post, so not fair to compare in that detail. I brought it up in my audio demo because I did that test for myself, and I thought it could be useful to others to hear the comparison against an established, more expensive reverb.

RE: Song
I believe that version of Overkill is in they key of E (C#m at the chorus). Basically this, but transposed 2 semitones up:
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/co ... rds_919585

BrokenTrance
KVRist
263 posts since 25 Nov, 2010

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:55 pm

SoundPorn wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:18 am
Have you ever bought a plugin before? You have to create an account for mostly all these companies and even more if most of them now have they're own plugin manager you have to download and keep on your desktop. This is like the pettiest gripe possible.

And I have Tonebooster Reverb4 too, and they're both different, TB Reverb4 don't have nothing like the Glass, Flow, Spring, Bode and Formant algorithms that Xenoverb has and there no difference between it's hall, room and plate presets its the same algo.

But worse yet you have to creat an account with ToneBoosters too and download they're entire plugin library installer just for the reverb.
BrokenTrance wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:34 pm
Probably i would buy ToneBoosters reverb with Shimmer if i knew that i most create account on Audiority site to get license. :)
I can't say i have bought manny plugins. I have bought KarmaFX. There you get link with e-mail to download personal vst file. I have bought sonivox and air bundle from Pluginbotique. There you get serials(ilok) and download links. With Xenoverb though you get serial from Pluginbotique. Then you have to create account on Audiority site then use that serial to get download i guess. In fact i haven't created account on Audiority yet though. Too bad about Toneboosters.....

If only Reason would get clip launch i would be all over it. One account - manny plugin possibilities(no shimmer do yet if i am right).

jochicago
KVRist
243 posts since 26 Feb, 2018

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:01 pm

It gets annoying to have to create accounts with multiple brands. Some of them make you install a licensing software, which may conflict with your antivirus, crash your plugins, etc. Many make you download all their plugins in demo mode (IK, ToneBoosters) and then remove by hand the ones you don't want in your library.

As things go, Audiority is among the nicer ones. Account creation is swift, then you download a key file. It could be a bit swifter, but not much more.

Halonmusic
KVRAF
1810 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:35 pm

jochicago wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:01 pm
It gets annoying to have to create accounts with multiple brands. Some of them make you install a licensing software, which may conflict with your antivirus, crash your plugins, etc. Many make you download all their plugins in demo mode (IK, ToneBoosters) and then remove by hand the ones you don't want in your library.

As things go, Audiority is among the nicer ones. Account creation is swift, then you download a key file. It could be a bit swifter, but not much more.
+1

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KVRian
776 posts since 15 Nov, 2005 from Italy

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:06 am

Hey guys,
just to clarify, registration to our User Area is not mandatory to get your license file. We have a redeem page that is listed in the install instructions on Plugin Boutique's XenoVerb page (as well in other of our products they sell).

I understand that sometime is confusing since PB sends you our redeem code name as a serial number.

We are working to make the entire process simpler and integrated within our plugins, so you won't have to switch away from your DAW to activate our plugins.

Cheers,
Luca
Audiority
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BrokenTrance
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263 posts since 25 Nov, 2010

Re: Audiority XenoVerb updated to v1.1 - Creative Multi Algorithm Reverb (VST AU AAX)

Post Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:12 am

Audiority wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:06 am
Hey guys,
just to clarify, registration to our User Area is not mandatory to get your license file. We have a redeem page that is listed in the install instructions on Plugin Boutique's XenoVerb page (as well in other of our products they sell).

I understand that sometime is confusing since PB sends you our redeem code name as a serial number.

We are working to make the entire process simpler and integrated within our plugins, so you won't have to switch away from your DAW to activate our plugins.

Cheers,
Luca
I manny happy i buy XenoVerb instead of ToneBoosters then :D

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