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Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)
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- KVRAF
- 4321 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
- KVRAF
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
You're so funny.
Who says what's supposed to happen and what's not supposed to happen? It's working exactly as designed and as such you cannot say it's "objectively terrible". You can say it's "subjectively not usable for what you want to do with it", but nothing more than that. There's no such thing as "objectively terrible filter design". When you design a filter, you are always doing some sort of a tradeoff. There's no perfect filter.
It's like blaming elliptic filters for having too much ripple in the passband. Duh, that's what their design is - you get a sharp rolloff, but you get a tradeoff for that.
- KVRAF
- 1959 posts since 21 Sep, 2007 from The Infinite Void
Wait until they reveal it's 64-bit only, that's when the real entertainment begins.
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- KVRist
- 455 posts since 31 Jan, 2018
This is somewhat off-topic, but here goes: I have some questions about how NI approach crossgrades and discounts. I really want Massive X and was looking into crossgradingmy way to Komplete (Ultimate) and was wondering the following:
* When NI do 30/50% discounts, do they also lower the prices of crossgrades? I want to crossgrade into Kontakt 6 and from there to the bigger bundles. I believe they don’t do discounts for upgrades, correct?
* Typically, when do NI drop their prices? Summer/BF/Christmas?
Thanks in advance.
* When NI do 30/50% discounts, do they also lower the prices of crossgrades? I want to crossgrade into Kontakt 6 and from there to the bigger bundles. I believe they don’t do discounts for upgrades, correct?
* Typically, when do NI drop their prices? Summer/BF/Christmas?
Thanks in advance.
- KVRAF
- 1959 posts since 21 Sep, 2007 from The Infinite Void
Typically, NI Summer Of Sound sale happens throughout June. Crossgrades, upgrades and version updates for all Kompletes are half price, same for Kontakt, Reaktor and any other plugins that have upgrade options. That has been the way for several years now, however that may change although i expect not.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105872 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- KVRAF
- 1737 posts since 26 Feb, 2013 from Sweden
So, what was the VR?
- KVRAF
- 1737 posts since 26 Feb, 2013 from Sweden
Reverb from Valhalla, or vice reversa.
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- KVRist
- 455 posts since 31 Jan, 2018
Thanks! Appreciated.mutantdog wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:00 pm Typically, NI Summer Of Sound sale happens throughout June. Crossgrades, upgrades and version updates for all Kompletes are half price, same for Kontakt, Reaktor and any other plugins that have upgrade options. That has been the way for several years now, however that may change although i expect not.
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- KVRAF
- 11054 posts since 12 May, 2008
- GRRRRRRR!
- 15961 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Nice if you have that luxury but my host doesn't work like that with plugins. I can do that with the native drums and sampler but for everything else I need to load the instrument before I can access any presets.
Furthermore, it doesn't matter whether or not it was intentional, only that it is the way it is. For all we know it was the cheapest solution at the time or the only one Moog thought of. After all, it was one of the first synths with a VCF, so what is the chance he got it right on the first attempt?
OK, I will talk you through it. The filter is called a Low Pass filter. By definition that means the frequencies above the cutoff frequency should be attenuated. With me so far? Given that, a low-pass filter that also attenuates low frequencies cannot possibly be working as intended, can it? Therefore, any low-pass filter that attenuates the bass when you increase the resonance is not doing the job it is meant to do. At that stage it effectively becomes a sloppy band-pass filter, which is an entirely different kind of filter. By any measure, surely that makes it a bad low-pass filter, doesn't it?EvilDragon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:48 amWho says what's supposed to happen and what's not supposed to happen? It's working exactly as designed...
Furthermore, it doesn't matter whether or not it was intentional, only that it is the way it is. For all we know it was the cheapest solution at the time or the only one Moog thought of. After all, it was one of the first synths with a VCF, so what is the chance he got it right on the first attempt?
Of course I can because we ALL know how a low-pass filter is meant to function and this low-pass filter doesn't function the way a low-pass filter should. Have I said "low-pass" enough times now for it to finally sink in?and as such you cannot say it's "objectively terrible".
Again, no. I can definitely say that about something like hard sync in the Korg Minilogue, because "hard sync" doesn't carry with it the expectation of leaving the low-end intact, whereas a low-pass filter absolutely carries that expectation.You can say it's "subjectively not usable for what you want to do with it", but nothing more than that.
Of course there is and if you are not seeing it by now, then you would have to be a complete idiot.There's no such thing as "objectively terrible filter design".
Of course there is and the qualifications are really simple - do what it's supposed to do. e.g. If it is a low-pass filter, make sure it allows all the low frequencies to pass through, all the time. Job done, perfect filter. Once you get that basic requirement done, you can work on giving it character and making it flexible in other ways, etc.When you design a filter, you are always doing some sort of a tradeoff. There's no perfect filter.
Why do you think nobody uses elliptic filters? Could it be because the compromises are more than anyone wants to deal with, which makes them objectively worse than Butterworth or Chebyshev filters? The fact they were designed that way is irrelevant, they are still rubbish compared to other types of filter. Moreover, when every other low-pass filter can do what it's supposed to do but the MiniMoog's cannot, then either everyone else is wrong and we have to change the definition of "low pass filter" or you have to accept that Moog's lowpass filter is rubbish at being a low-pass filter. Those are the only two options available.It's like blaming elliptic filters for having too much ripple in the passband. Duh, that's what their design is - you get a sharp rolloff, but you get a tradeoff for that.
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