dr.wackler quoth
Oh, and BTW: In opposite to the FX Teleport concept you will not need to have any monitor connected to the slave computer. A big advantage IMO!
You dont need a monitor on the slave for FXTeleport either. Try doing a google for VNC.
Logic 7 released
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
.. its just an elephant ..thanks doc for all your thoughts .. and indeed: its easy to imagine not wanting to miss that new feature .. i´ll love it as well, i am sure!dr.wackler wrote: This may seem like a little "so what?" detial, but once you've worked with this technique, you won't want to miss it never ever again!
so: pough, thats good news!
jaha .. looking forward to the same experience!...gives you so much additional freedom when arranging, you won't believe it! At least I did, when I started to arrange in Live4 - it's 100% more intuitive.
putte
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- KVRian
- 980 posts since 25 Feb, 2003
Imagine, I was thinking about that option when I wrote my remark (well, honestly more thinking about a monitor switch). But the important point is, that you don't have to care at all about viewing what's going on on the slave computer. It's just as if you were using a DSP system like ProTools or Powercore.whyterabbyt wrote:dr.wackler quoth
Oh, and BTW: In opposite to the FX Teleport concept you will not need to have any monitor connected to the slave computer. A big advantage IMO!
You dont need a monitor on the slave for FXTeleport either. Try doing a google for VNC.
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- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Just being pedantic, as per usual 
Yeah, I understand that its transparent, although do you need a full Logic7 Pro installed on each Mac? That'll add up fast if you do, particularly on top of the 'Mac premium' for machines.
Yeah, I understand that its transparent, although do you need a full Logic7 Pro installed on each Mac? That'll add up fast if you do, particularly on top of the 'Mac premium' for machines.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
No, there's a small "node" application shipping with Logic 7, no need for any extra dongles or copy protection, only the main machine requires the dongle.whyterabbyt wrote: Yeah, I understand that its transparent, although do you need a full Logic7 Pro installed on each Mac?
Hm, come to think of it... could someone just hack this node application to run with PCs as well?
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Thats nice, then; kinda like the fact that 3D software now tends to ship with free rendernode licenses.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 4265 posts since 21 Oct, 2001 from my bolthole in the south pacific
Curious that they didn't say anything about this at this stage. Emagic would have talked about the direction of their future plans I think. Of course future plans like these are contingent on the actions of other firms.dr.wackler wrote: AFAIK the exclusion of AUs from this feature in the first release is less a technical or political one, but more about license laws etc., since plugins would run on more than one machine. That's why they have not implemented it for now. But now that the feature has been released, they will clear out those things to make it possible for 3rd party developers to make use of it.
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- KVRAF
- 3964 posts since 31 Aug, 2003 from In a foreign town, in a foreign land
Maybe they can ask the Shake guys to port it to Linux.Sascha Franck wrote:Hm, come to think of it... could someone just hack this node application to run with PCs as well?
Buy a bunch of 19" cases, dirt cheap these days, and build a small render-farm.
Total overkill but I'm sure it's really, really cool.
Groet, Erik
Pop music delenda est.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 36 posts since 22 Sep, 2001 from Massachusetts, USA
What you have to realize is that they are each implemented quite differently. For the most part, Logic's implementation is leaps and bounds better than FXTeleport or System Link, except that it does not work with 3rd party plugins (and yes, I recognize that that is a big "except").egbert wrote:If Apple could make the distributed processing work with other plugs like FXTeleport they would inspire more confidence IMO.
With Logic, you don't need to have the application on each computer (only a limitless-license Logic Node app). With the others, you need the app running on every node, and therefore a license for each copy. You don't need an audio interface on each computer (just gigabit ethernet) but do with the other alternatives. I know that, with at least one of the other alternatives, you need to have not just the same app running on each node but the same song document opened up. That sounds to me like it would definitely just totally ruin any usefulness of the feature. Not the case with Logic.
The thing with having 3rd party plugins is needing them to be running on each computer (at least the way that AU/VST/etc. is currently designed), which means potentially multiple licenses and copy protection issues. Logic's implementation is much nicer than this, but then on the downside simply does not allow for this option. However, at least AU is designed to make space for separation of DSP and GUI to separate processes and address spaces work, so there's definitely a potential for that that there is not in VST's design, for example. So we'll see, I'm sure that Emagic have more plans for post-7...
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- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
thats exactly the bit making this new network feature absolutely uniteresting for me.marc wrote:except that it does not work with 3rd party plugins (and yes, I recognize that that is a big "except").
putte
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 16 Sep, 2004
Here in Europe the upgrade costs 329€, that means 408$... few months ago I upgraded to Logic Pro from Logic Gold 4 for around 800€. The amount of the two upgrade is beyond 1100€, whereas if I bought Logic7 as a new user I had to pay 1069€. Well done, Apple... an excellent way to lose customers.DHR53 wrote:Another $300. ...Arghh!
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- KVRian
- 980 posts since 25 Feb, 2003
The more I think about it, the more I fear that my excitement was a bit too early. The Shuffle mode could also be just that regions will be prevented from overlapping when you move them. Similar to what it is like now, when you try to move a region to before the song start, where it will be put exactly at the songstart.putte wrote:jaha .. looking forward to the same experience!...gives you so much additional freedom when arranging, you won't believe it! At least I did, when I started to arrange in Live4 - it's 100% more intuitive.
Argh, language....
But then, there is Live4.
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- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
marc quoth
What you have to realize is that they are each implemented quite differently.
How differently?
For the most part, Logic's implementation is leaps and bounds better than FXTeleport or System Link, except that it does not work with 3rd party plugins (and yes, I recognize that that is a big "except").
That doesnt sound leaps and bounds better at all, to be honest. So what significant advaatages does it have, apart from an effectively free cost-per-unit?
With Logic, you don't need to have the application on each computer (only a limitless-license Logic Node app).
Okay, but (except for multiple-license issues) with a networked plugin folder that would be the case for, say, FXTeleport.
With the others, you need the app running on every node, and therefore a license for each copy.
Well yes, but that would also be the case if it actually handled AUs. In this case a limitation gives you a certain advantage, but the limitation is more significant than the advantage for many people.
You don't need an audio interface on each computer (just gigabit ethernet) but do with the other alternatives.
Untrue; FXTeleport doesnt need an audio interface, but doesnt require gigabit.
I know that, with at least one of the other alternatives, you need to have not just the same app running on each node but the same song document opened up.
For one maybe. Not for FXTeleport.
That sounds to me like it would definitely just totally ruin any usefulness of the feature.
Well it might, except that its not the case for all alternatives.
Not the case with Logic.
Or FXTeleport.
The thing with having 3rd party plugins is needing them to be running on each computer (at least the way that AU/VST/etc. is currently designed), which means potentially multiple licenses and copy protection issues.
Yup.
Logic's implementation is much nicer than this, but then on the downside simply
does not allow for this option.
If restricted=nicer then thats true. Otherwise its not.
However, at least AU is designed to make space for separation of DSP and GUI to separate processes and address spaces work, so there's definitely a potential for that that there is not in VST's design, for example.
Thats an architecture issue, not an implementation issue, and its quite feasible to separate the GUI process from the DSP process in a VST.
So we'll see, I'm sure that Emagic have more plans for post-7...
Im sure. And having requested this kind of functionality from Jorgen ages ago, I'm hoping to see it in eXT for $39 real soon now.
But I still cant see that 'leaps and bounds ahead' stuff in the L7 implementation.
What you have to realize is that they are each implemented quite differently.
How differently?
For the most part, Logic's implementation is leaps and bounds better than FXTeleport or System Link, except that it does not work with 3rd party plugins (and yes, I recognize that that is a big "except").
That doesnt sound leaps and bounds better at all, to be honest. So what significant advaatages does it have, apart from an effectively free cost-per-unit?
With Logic, you don't need to have the application on each computer (only a limitless-license Logic Node app).
Okay, but (except for multiple-license issues) with a networked plugin folder that would be the case for, say, FXTeleport.
With the others, you need the app running on every node, and therefore a license for each copy.
Well yes, but that would also be the case if it actually handled AUs. In this case a limitation gives you a certain advantage, but the limitation is more significant than the advantage for many people.
You don't need an audio interface on each computer (just gigabit ethernet) but do with the other alternatives.
Untrue; FXTeleport doesnt need an audio interface, but doesnt require gigabit.
I know that, with at least one of the other alternatives, you need to have not just the same app running on each node but the same song document opened up.
For one maybe. Not for FXTeleport.
That sounds to me like it would definitely just totally ruin any usefulness of the feature.
Well it might, except that its not the case for all alternatives.
Not the case with Logic.
Or FXTeleport.
The thing with having 3rd party plugins is needing them to be running on each computer (at least the way that AU/VST/etc. is currently designed), which means potentially multiple licenses and copy protection issues.
Yup.
Logic's implementation is much nicer than this, but then on the downside simply
does not allow for this option.
If restricted=nicer then thats true. Otherwise its not.
However, at least AU is designed to make space for separation of DSP and GUI to separate processes and address spaces work, so there's definitely a potential for that that there is not in VST's design, for example.
Thats an architecture issue, not an implementation issue, and its quite feasible to separate the GUI process from the DSP process in a VST.
So we'll see, I'm sure that Emagic have more plans for post-7...
Im sure. And having requested this kind of functionality from Jorgen ages ago, I'm hoping to see it in eXT for $39 real soon now.
But I still cant see that 'leaps and bounds ahead' stuff in the L7 implementation.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
dr.wackler quoth
The more I think about it, the more I fear that my excitement was a bit too early. The Shuffle mode could also be just that regions will be prevented from overlapping when you move them.
Thats how it works on PT systems if I recall correctly. A PITA if you're spotting audio to video, btw.
The more I think about it, the more I fear that my excitement was a bit too early. The Shuffle mode could also be just that regions will be prevented from overlapping when you move them.
Thats how it works on PT systems if I recall correctly. A PITA if you're spotting audio to video, btw.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRian
- 980 posts since 25 Feb, 2003
Yeah, this used to drive me nuts when being forced to work with ProTools. At least in Logic you'll have the choice not to use it obviously.whyterabbyt wrote:dr.wackler quoth
The more I think about it, the more I fear that my excitement was a bit too early. The Shuffle mode could also be just that regions will be prevented from overlapping when you move them.
Thats how it works on PT systems if I recall correctly. A PITA if you're spotting audio to video, btw.
Let's hope the Shuffle edit mode infact is a Live like "Insert/Replace" edit mode as I thought in the first place.
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