Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[nordickvr]

Man this thread is depressing - I don't think the actual synth has even been mentioned for several pages

massive x.

massive x (= x 2)

[EnGee]

NI fault! This is what you get when you delay releasing something people are waiting for

[pixel85]

When someone say that Massive is bad, thin sounding, digital or can't be used to create this or that sound I instantly know that person who wrote that simply suck as a sound designer Massive can sound small, big, fat, thin, warm, cold can be used in every music genre and even simulate real world sound effects and environment. Honestly Massive was one of the most versatile (with simple GUI) synth plugins ever created (now we have more like that). It's not synth that suck but the unskilled operator.
Guys... you should really give some love to your synths and not judge after a few seconds long preset juggling. I know I'm asking for too much: tweaking your synth

Massive has very clear limitations and definitely shows its age in terms of sound quality. Massive absolutely cannot create everything like you claim, all you need to do is take a newer NI plugin like Monark or TRK Bass and compare very basic sound patches like a 1osc bass. The sound quality difference is staggering. In fact in terms of overall sound quality Massive actually reminds me of Propellerheads Subtractor a synth that predates Massive by six whole years. It obviously has more features than Subtactor but the sound quality is of a similar generation.

If you say so. Meanwhile I'm using it in about 6 genres and in sound design for games fro UI to environment sounds. You're comparing Subtractor to Massive in terms of sound quality? I remember Subtractor from Reason 2.5 and comparising both in terms of sound quality is apples and oranges (if Subtractor didn't changed).
But tbh by a long time I thought the same that Massive sounds shit. But then I treated my room and now I can hear what is what. Acoustics of my room was deceiving me for many years.

[pixel85]

I dont care about the filter as long as synth sounds good with it. And reaktor ensambles like Monark, Form, Rounds do sound very good, if Massive X sounds that good, it can use dust filter, i dont care Only thing about filter is i hope synth will have Scream filter.

By the look of Razor and its filters I'm petty sure we can see dust filter in Massive X

[pixel85]

Man this thread is depressing - I don't think the actual synth has even been mentioned for several pages

massive x.

[highkoo]

Man this thread is depressing - I don't think the actual synth has even been mentioned for several pages

We are on to much more erudite discusions now, plebe.
Now, please step aside and allow the important vocabulary and syntax to be swung about.

[BONES]

If you personally don't like this filter - that's alright. But telling everyone that they are wrong because they think otherwise - it's just trolling. Unless you're some kind of dictator, you can't tell strangers what they should like or not like

Who says anything about "like"? I'm talking about good or bad. people can like whatever the hell they want. What irks me is that they can't admit that they like it even though it's objectively not a very good filter, so they have jump all over anyone who says it isn't actually good.

The reason this is relevant to the current discussion, and many threads here, is that people look to these discussions for information so it becomes reasonably important that we can all make a distinction between the things we "like" and the things that are actually "good". e.g. I really like Thorn but I'm the first to admit that it's raw oscillator sound is strangely muffled and none of the filter options are particularly good. Similarly, we use Massive quite a bit and I really like the sounds we get from it but that doesn't mean I can't hear how lacking it is in some areas or how much better newer synths sound overall. But there are some around here who can't be like that - if they like something then every tiny part of it has to be revered and defended to the death. It's stupid and counter-productive.

[wagtunes]

@Bones

I do agree with you on one point. I find a lot of people here will defend their synth and take offense even if you have one little complaint about it. Personally, I'm still waiting for the perfect synth but I doubt that day is ever going to come. Nothing is perfect. Everything has something wrong with it. Some synths have more wrong than others. I like what Massive does well and use it for those things. What it doesn't do well, I don't use it for those things. And that's how I am with every synth I own. Do I have favorites? Sure. Doesn't mean I think they're perfect.

[jancivil]

Well, Massive is not a go-to synth, I don't love the interface, it isn't bad, it just isn't much to look at. I don't love the modulation windows, it takes me time to get my sound out of it, yadda ya, so I'm not really that person hurt by criticisms.

Some of the shit is way over-the-top and it's really the tone of it all, people thinking being negative, producing a negative pose on the internet is supposed to create an impression of superior knowledge. Just like with most topics. I don't expect anyone to like what I like, and I would never try to push an argument like that. It's bullshit. Sorry/not sorry.
BONES music is not showing all that superior taste IMO. Others might totally agree with those choices as superior ways to be, I just got tired of all that posturing. You have no taste, BONES it's so very clear. This is OBJECTIVE TRUTH! How you like them apples.

I'm doing some muting now I guess!

[jancivil]

It's the same old shit, different flies. Absynth has teh dated filters, Massive is same as Subtractor in Reason which is old hat. blah blah blah dated, everything has to be brand new, perversely enough on a forum where the most prevalent discussions seem to be ones regarding emulations of shit 30 and 40 yrs old.

Minimoog is a shite synth, fine ok, but your argument did not meet with great success or approbation. If the idea was to be contrarian, great job I guess. Bore us some more saying the same goddamn shit over and over, I think I'll keep closed off since that's really about it.

It's never enough to say, 'I don't like it.', is it.

[samsam]

CS1x is a shite synth.

Anyone wanna swap their shite Model D for my Yanaha? One careful owner, bright yellow keys due to my smoking past.

[liv]

Any new ideas what the VR could be?

[vurt]

Any new ideas what the VR could be?

you can use a ps4 vr headset to control massive x.

[Unfocused]

fact and subjective opinion are not the same thing

yeah, facts can change.
subjective opinions seem to be grasped till death, even if faced with insurmountable evidence to the contrary.

Facts don't change, only the context surrounding them and interpretation thereof do.

From Merriam-Webster:
<snip>
FACT (noun)
\ ˈfakt
\
Definition of fact

1 a : something that has actual existence
b : an actual occurrence
2 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality
3 : the quality of being actual
</snip>

I was going to say that only "alternative facts" change, but you've shown me that alternative fact = subjective opinions, at least for most people in my country (the increasingly "proud to be ignorant" U.S. of A.) Good times...

Anyway, I don't care about the arguments. I'm not a huge fan of Massive's workflow either, but it is an interesting (and diverse) sounding synth to me. So, I'm really looking forward to Massive X.

-u

[jancivil]

I heard you can control it with your mind.

I don't think the actual synth has even been mentioned for several pages

In what universe is there a thread for 47 pages all of it about something which exists only in the future.
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