Camel alchemy vs logic alchemy

[Cinebient]

Not exactly sure if the modFX is still the same as in the older version but it is one of my favorite FX in any synth i ever used. There is just no synth (or even third party FX) which can create such sounds.
Alchemy is just one of the most unique synths for me. For vintage/analog sounds i much prefer others but these soundscapes and pads i can get out of Alchemy are just wonderful and no other synth can do it this way.

[samsam]

Been playing a bit with v2.

Wow, pretty hefty improvements. Any non Logic Mac user should check out Mainstage, even if it's just for the synth.

[Jace-BeOS]

I really need to stop chasing the "ooo shiny" and really dig in to this thing, which is right there in front of me and free (considering I bought Logic). Funny how that works

I do the same thing. I’ve spent hardly any time on Alchemy in Logic because I never got started with it formally. Only in the last couple months did I even get to it because I was converting old projects that used the Alchemy demo from Camel Audio. The one preset I was using actually crashed Logic with the in-built Alchemy, but only if the plugin GUI was opened. Worked fine without the GUI on screen. As noted elsewhere, I’m no fan of Apple’s GUI stylings these days, so...

Still, to this day, boils my p!ss to think how Camel Audio sold everyone other than logic users out by doing this.

[anger and more anger]

Probably imo the biggest slight against music creators there's been. (Thats probably a thread on here on it's own for debate)

Yes, there have been several very long threads about it. I hear the anger and I sympathize. Many companies have ruined products I’ve loved by way of seemingly bizarre business decisions. In this case, though, the products still exist (for anyone owning Logic).

I had never gotten out of the demoing stage with Alchemy when it was from an independent company. The workflow never fit me, in terms of sample usage (mostly the file management). One of the developers actually told me his workflow was like mine and therefore the changes I needed were coming eventually. But then, Apple bought them and all developer communication ceased.

I had moved from Windows to Mac by then, so it didn’t affect me as it might otherwise have. I was able to keep using the three Camel Audio products I already owned (Cameleon, the predecessor to Alchemy, and their two effects plugins). I ended up eventually getting all three as nice “free” additional features in Logic, which has been a great overall value to me, cost-wise. Though, I personally dislike the visual design changes Apple made to the GUI (in everything Apple since 2013; it’s been a slaughter of flattening and uglifying GUIs ever since iOS 7 arrived).

[Liero]

Still, to this day, boils my p!ss to think how Camel Audio sold everyone other than logic users out by doing this.

Camelphat, camelspace, Alchemy were three awesome plugins and will never be updated nor improved again.

I used to respect them immensely when I started using their plugins and supported them.

This type of entitlement seems to pretty much define this generation - and it makes no sense to me.
You know absolutely nothing about the company and the reasons behind their decision, the deal was totally within their rights to do, you probably would have done the same in their shoes, and all you - probably a middle-aged man - can think about is crying like a baby about how you were "robbed" of one plugin because you have the wrong type of OS.
I don't want to ad hominem but, seriously... If you saw someone else behave like this, what would you think?

[Examigan]

I hope none of the other companies I like end up doing what Camel did, like u-he, Arturia or Tone2 for instance.

[Cinebient]

I hope none of the other companies I like end up doing what Camel did, like u-he, Arturia or Tone2 for instance.

You never know...but i would love if they buy PulsarModular

[Examigan]

I hope none of the other companies I like end up doing what Camel did, like u-he, Arturia or Tone2 for instance.

You never know...but i would love if they buy PulsarModular

Isn't that one Mac-only already? (for now anyway..)

I guess it's OK if you already have a Mac, but I am a PC guy.

[Ed A.]

Still, to this day, boils my p!ss to think how Camel Audio sold everyone other than logic users out by doing this.

Camelphat, camelspace, Alchemy were three awesome plugins and will never be updated nor improved again.

I used to respect them immensely when I started using their plugins and supported them.

This type of entitlement seems to pretty much define this generation - and it makes no sense to me.
You know absolutely nothing about the company and the reasons behind their decision, the deal was totally within their rights to do, you probably would have done the same in their shoes, and all you - probably a middle-aged man - can think about is crying like a baby about how you were "robbed" of one plugin because you have the wrong type of OS.
I don't want to ad hominem but, seriously... If you saw someone else behave like this, what would you think?

I know if I was an independent soft synth developer, and Apple offered me say, $10 million to buy out my company, I'd say where do I sign?

[rob_lee]

I know if I was an independent soft synth developer, and Apple offered me say, $10 million to buy out my company, I'd say where do I sign?

Ben said Hi

[scott_free]

I have a MacBook Air 2017. Perhaps someone can someone shed some light on whether I could run at least one instance of Alchemy without hitting drastically limiting CPU limitations. The processor is an i5 dual core 1.8Ghz with turbo boost to 2.9Ghz.

What do you think?

[Cinebient]

I have a MacBook Air 2017. Perhaps someone can someone shed some light on whether I could run at least one instance of Alchemy without hitting drastically limiting CPU limitations. The processor is an i5 dual core 1.8Ghz with turbo boost to 2.9Ghz.

What do you think?

Depends of course of the preset you are using or creating and your buffer, sample rate etc. setting. I have a macbook pro with i7 quadcore 2.0 GHz from 2013 and i can overload the cpu with 2-3 instances with 44.1khz at 512 buffer if i go wild but i also can run 20-30 instances if i do not use tons of layers of FX and modulation. There is also an option within Alchemy to set the quality from draft, good, great to ultra (i mainly use ultra).
So as with most synths you can create presets which might use 20, 30 or more times the cpu as others.
But i would say in general it should be no problem to run one instance of Alchemy on your set-up since i bet your i5 from 2017 is faster than my i7 from 2013...especially for single core. It even works on old iOS devices (while it is more a player to tweak, it has the same engine behind it).

[scott_free]

Many thanks for the help, Cinebient.

[Cinebient]

Many thanks for the help, Cinebient.

No problem. And to add to it i just loaded up a rather complex preset with ultra setting (44.1Khz and 512 buffer here) and i could easy run 10 instances with 4 note chord and long release times. Triggered all at the same time of course. It might throttle the cpu after some time but so far so good.
So it really seems good optimzed as well (as you would expect from a stock synth within a DAW). So it might be even better than i thought

[scott_free]

It may well be that now, resistance is futile.

[Neon Breath]

Question for the Logic Alchemy V2 users.

I've already been a user of Alchemy many years ago before the buy out. Can't use it anymore as it doesn't run flawlessly on my setup and I have GUI issues with it as well.

Now since there's no Logic demo and I can't try it, for the ones using it do you think it might worth getting Logic for Alchemy only, primarily for morphing sounds together? Is it really better than the old Alchemy v1 version? I know you might say yes cause Logic comes for many other great native stuff and all that but I only care for Alchemy and its morphing capabilities, purely for sound design. Nothing else.

What do you Alchemy 2 users think?

Thanks!