What sometimes is missed in the plagiarism conversation are the instances when folks doing the right thing have helped out "less popular" artists. For example, it's been said that during his final days in 1969 Skip James was able to get better care due to the royalties that came his way from Cream's recording of "I'm So Glad".
The rigorous truth is that artists tend to borrow and sometimes may not even be aware that they've done so, but those who steal from the less fortunate often only end up hurting their legacy.
Who is better the Beatles or Led Zeppelin
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- KVRAF
- 11950 posts since 31 Aug, 2013 from Someplace else
Well, you just disqualified yourself as a neutral observer. Thanks for playing!herodotus wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:09 pmBecause baby boomers are boring?Bombadil wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:56 pmThe Beatles win in most every place, especially with a cohort of baby-boomers involved. Why do you think that is?herodotus wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:39 pm I knew that the Beatles would 'win' in this 'contest', because I have been here at kvr for way too long, and I know the overall feel of the place.
But to be serious for a moment (sorry vurt), the interesting thing is not that the Beatles are slightly more popular, but that a band like Led Zeppelin got as popular as they did. Metal has become an underground musical style, with the vast majority of major bands getting zero radio play and little in the way of national promotion. And outside of a handful of bands it kind of always has been this way.
Led Zeppelin made things even more difficult for themselves by doing all of the quirky acoustic stuff that they did (e.g. most of their 3rd album), and yet they sold a ridiculous amount of records.
It is kind of odd, really.
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― Pink Floyd
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
Oh, I agree. I think that relatively few people have actually listened to most of the songs on Physical Graffiti or Presence. And tend to judge them based on the 5 boring songs that have gotten the most radio play.
But very few bands with such a hard to categorize catalog of styles become so popular.
Apropos of this, a friend who saw them in 75, got really excited when they came on stage with acoustic instruments to start the evening; he was especially excited because John Paul Jones had his rare triple neck acoustic (my friend is a collector of rare instruments).
Anyway, the hicks who live around here started f**king booing. Like, how dare these guys play anything but Rock and Roll and Whole lotta Love!
Anyway, a less established band probably would have been told off by their label for daring to try to be interesting and unpredictable. But it didn't hurt their record sales at all.
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- KVRAF
- 11950 posts since 31 Aug, 2013 from Someplace else
Eclecticism wasn't a dirty word in those days, and music wasn't as over-defined into hard sub-genres as far as labeling goes. We can thank the Beatles for that.
“The Generals sat, and the lines on the map, moved from side to side.”
― Pink Floyd
― Pink Floyd
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
Bombadil wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:22 pmWell, you just disqualified yourself as a neutral observer. Thanks for playing!herodotus wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:09 pmBecause baby boomers are boring?Bombadil wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:56 pmThe Beatles win in most every place, especially with a cohort of baby-boomers involved. Why do you think that is?herodotus wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:39 pm I knew that the Beatles would 'win' in this 'contest', because I have been here at kvr for way too long, and I know the overall feel of the place.
But to be serious for a moment (sorry vurt), the interesting thing is not that the Beatles are slightly more popular, but that a band like Led Zeppelin got as popular as they did. Metal has become an underground musical style, with the vast majority of major bands getting zero radio play and little in the way of national promotion. And outside of a handful of bands it kind of always has been this way.
Led Zeppelin made things even more difficult for themselves by doing all of the quirky acoustic stuff that they did (e.g. most of their 3rd album), and yet they sold a ridiculous amount of records.
It is kind of odd, really.
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I am one year too young to be a boomer according to Wikipedia. And of course that one year somehow makes all the difference.
Odd, that.
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
Sir Paul approves of your obsequious fawning.Bombadil wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:31 pm Eclecticism wasn't a dirty word in those days, and music wasn't as over-defined into hard sub-genres as far as labeling goes. We can thank the Beatles for that.
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- KVRAF
- 8420 posts since 18 Apr, 2004
Well, I mos def qualify as GenX and I prefer Beatles over Zep.herodotus wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:34 pm I am one year too young to be a boomer according to Wikipedia. And of course that one year somehow makes all the difference.
So there.
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
Hey, it's not me. It's Wikipedia. WIKIPEDIA!!
It's like, scientific and stuff.
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- KVRian
- 1075 posts since 26 Nov, 2007
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"two fools dancing on the hands of time... yeah the fool and me"
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
And for the record (And again, vurt, sorry for being serious) I think that dividing the civilized world into neat "generations" which each supposedly have personality traits and universal preferences is one of the most silly notions ever foisted upon the world by journalists.
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
That would have to be science. No one f**king loves Wikipedia.
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
The technology of making a vacuum comes from aliens.
This picture proves it:
