Teksonik wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:42 am
You're missing my point. You're doing it on the wrong forum
. If you want to influence the development of Dune 3 then you're far more likely to accomplish that on the beta forum than in a thread that obviously no one from Synapse has the time to read. You're simply going about it in the wrong way. You had your chance to have a say and failed to take the opportunity.
No, you're missing the point. I am gathering information here, information I won't get from the damned beta forum that gobbled up wavetables like they were worthwhile. When I have sufficient information, I can formulate a plan, which I can then present to Rich via email.
Anyway, all you are doing is prolonging this thing you clearly wish to stop, so I'm not going to read any further. There is no point.
HcDoom wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:49 am
Ok Bones, we get it...you dont like Dune 3. End of story and lets move on. Stop destroying thread!
Obviously you don't get it because I love DUNE 3, it has lifted every song we've used it in to a new level. I just don't like having to deal with its workflow. If it was a simple matter of not liking it, it wouldn't be a problem because there are plenty of synths I don't like. But when the sound is so good, you want the rest of the experience to match it and DUNE has been falling well short on that front for far too long.
wagtunes wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:17 am
Question: At what point does a synth's GUI/Workflow, whatever, become an issue? When 20% of the user base has a problem with it? 30%? 40%? What's the number?
The pragmatic way to answer that would be to look at how much those percentage increases in sales might matter to the company. It's all about ROI - if I spend x
amount of time on something, will it return that effort in extra sales? I'd suggest that a small company like Synapse, with very limited resources, would have to deal with those questions all the time but if an issue can be solved without much effort, then even a modest increase is sales is enough to justify it. And I think these are issues that could be solved fairly easily. e.g. With a lot less effort than adding a second filter. The problem is that it's mostly GUI work, which I know Richard isn't very interested in (I think that's why he bought Marcin on-board) so there is no guarantee that offering even a perfect solution will get much traction. All we can do is try.
The other problem you have to deal with is that changing things around is likely to annoy existing users, no matter how big the improvements might be, so it's something that has to be approached with a degree of delicacy. I think a few small changes is more likely to work than a complete overhaul (as much as I'd like to see a complete overhaul).
Teksonik wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:45 am
Rather than dragging D3 through the mud here just to satiate some pathological desire to argue with people why not take the cause to a forum where you might actually have a chance of making a change ?
Because that has not worked. If you want to give up on your feature requests, that's your decision. I'm not ready to do that yet.
tony10000 wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:07 am
I think that it is pointless to make negative comments about Dune's UI in a public forum. These comments are best shared with the developers along with suggestions for improvement. I don't have any problems with Dune's UI. I don't believe that the majority of users do either given its popularity.
With that attitude, why bother with a DUNE 2 or a DUNE 3 at all? If the original DUNE sold well, why not just keep it like that forever?
The fact that this is the third version of the synth reinforces my position.
No, it completely undermines your position because each new version involves changes from the original.
The fact that they carried over many design elements from Dune 2 could mean that these elements were well received and in no need of improvement.
Or, equally, it could be that the developer isn't interested in GUI work and couldn't be arsed even thinking about improving it. Nobody knows and your assumptions are no more valid than anyone else's.