Logic Pro X alternative

[pdxindy]

So the new computers are more capable than the old ones. If you want to call that unacceptable, that is up to you... I'm very happy with the sheer number of devices I can now connect without any issue.

The latest models don't have USB-A ports anymore. So, that excuse doesn't (hopefully) apply to these models.

BTW - only the top of the line has four ports. The other model only has two ports.

Out of curiosity - will an RME interface have issues if connected through a powered USB hub?

The Mac Mini has 4 USB-C and 2 USB-A (USB-3) ports

I don't know

[fmr]

The latest models don't have USB-A ports anymore. So, that excuse doesn't (hopefully) apply to these models.

BTW - only the top of the line has four ports. The other model only has two ports.

Out of curiosity - will an RME interface have issues if connected through a powered USB hub?

The Mac Mini has 4 USB-C and 2 USB-A (USB-3) ports

I thought we were talking about the Macbook Pro. Did that excuse refer to the Mac mini?

Anyway, I presume that a good powered Hub (like the OWC ones) would guarantee a good performance.

[Coxy]

Let's get some balance into this thread. . .

Using 27" 2018 iMac and 2017 MacBook Pro, 13" with RME Fireface via USB. No issues on both. Better driver stability and lower latency than the Audient ID14 it replaced. No crackles, pops even under heavy conditions at 32ms. Sound quality on the RME not as open as the Audient but I'd struggle to spot it in a blind test.

Apple is highly unlikely to pull the plug on Logic, that is in my opinion a poor attempt at foresight.

As for alternatives, big ticket ones giving you the most Logic like experience will be

• Cubase
  Samplitude
  Digital Performer.
  Studio One

My vote would be Cubase for a like for like replacement.

The others not listed, Ala Live, Bitwig, Reasonm, FL Studio won't be as immediately familiar.

[Ed A.]

I don't know of any other DAW that has the choice and quality of synths and effects that Logic has. I'm staying with Logic.

[martinjuenke]

I don't know of any other DAW that has the choice and quality of synths and effects that Logic has. I'm staying with Logic.

#metoo

[jonljacobi]

I also shall continue to use Logic, but in answer to the original question, also take a look at Tracktion Waveform. It has improved by leaps and bounds over the last few years.

But there’s no reason not to demo all of them.

[Tj Shredder]

I knew Logic from the old days up to version 3, but did not have my own copy. Just from client work. I got into ProTools also for client work and still think its the most intuitive workflow for audio editing.
Some years ago I had to get Logic X, though I could do what I needed to do I did not like it. For editing its a nightmare, but the instruments and its natural dealing with Midi, which leads to MPE compatibility is a big plus.
For editing I switched to Ardour, and listening to all the concerns about Logic might be dropped (extremely unlikely) this would be the natural switch. I use Bitwig to get me inspired (neither Logic nor Live could grab me there).
Btw. the dropping of some of the older apps was to be expected. They aquired Emagic just for Logic and had from the beginning no interest to support the complete line forever...
Ardour is the only future proof application as it is the only professional open source DAW (thanks to Harrisons engagement). For audio editing its better than any other DAW for its logarithmic waveform display... (Logic is a kids toy in that regard...)
For modern EDM style production you would need something else though...

[Ploki]

why do you don't like editing in Logic?
i've yet to use a daw that's as intuitive and fast for editing as logic is

[SoundPorn]

Wondering how open source future proofs a DAW because Tracktion also opened up they're code.

I knew Logic from the old days up to version 3, but did not have my own copy. Just from client work. I got into ProTools also for client work and still think its the most intuitive workflow for audio editing.
Some years ago I had to get Logic X, though I could do what I needed to do I did not like it. For editing its a nightmare, but the instruments and its natural dealing with Midi, which leads to MPE compatibility is a big plus.
For editing I switched to Ardour, and listening to all the concerns about Logic might be dropped (extremely unlikely) this would be the natural switch. I use Bitwig to get me inspired (neither Logic nor Live could grab me there).
Btw. the dropping of some of the older apps was to be expected. They aquired Emagic just for Logic and had from the beginning no interest to support the complete line forever...
Ardour is the only future proof application as it is the only professional open source DAW (thanks to Harrisons engagement). For audio editing its better than any other DAW for its logarithmic waveform display... (Logic is a kids toy in that regard...)
For modern EDM style production you would need something else though...

[Tj Shredder]

why do you don't like editing in Logic?
i've yet to use a daw that's as intuitive and fast for editing as logic is

I cannot edit sample exact for an unusable waveform in the arranger. The audio editor doesn't help there as I need to see several tracks in high resolution. Its really a bad joke, completely unprofessional. Coming from ProTools for that task - I am 100 times faster in ProTools...
There are other drawbacks as well, I can easily destroy a lot of edits without noticing... ProTools is far more logical than Logic...
When working in Ardour, I first thought as well its unusable because there is no vertical zoom - can you imagine? But when asking for it, I got pointed to the logarithmic waveform display, and that is it, you don't need to zoom in, as you can see the tiniest level and the biggest at the same time... Even better than ProTools...

[Tj Shredder]

Wondering how open source future proofs a DAW because Tracktion also opened up they're code.

That is a brilliant move I was not aware of. Ardour might be more future proof as already a lot of devs know the code base. But as we see with the Surge synth, opening can propel the development even...

[Ploki]

why do you don't like editing in Logic?
i've yet to use a daw that's as intuitive and fast for editing as logic is

I cannot edit sample exact for an unusable waveform in the arranger. The audio editor doesn't help there as I need to see several tracks in high resolution. Its really a bad joke, completely unprofessional. Coming from ProTools for that task - I am 100 times faster in ProTools...
There are other drawbacks as well, I can easily destroy a lot of edits without noticing... ProTools is far more logical than Logic...
When working in Ardour, I first thought as well its unusable because there is no vertical zoom - can you imagine? But when asking for it, I got pointed to the logarithmic waveform display, and that is it, you don't need to zoom in, as you can see the tiniest level and the biggest at the same time... Even better than ProTools...

Ah, you mean that kind of editing.
Yeah no, that really is a joke, waveform zoom works horribly (it makes waveform look like potato) and it's still not retina optimised.

[fmr]

Wondering how open source future proofs a DAW because Tracktion also opened up they're code.

It doesn't. He is dreaming (or it's wishful thinking).

[Danilo Villanova]

Samplitude is pretty full featured...

[nerner]

I wouldn't worry about what is going to happen in the future with these DAWs. Focus on finding one with a workflow you like, for me that ended up being Logic. Yes, one day apple might make changes I don't agree with but if/when that day comes I don't have to upgrade. I know guys who keep their systems offline. After they discovered a DAW that offered everything they needed, and all 3rd party plugins/software were stable, they felt no need to keep updating. These guys mostly transitioned from the analog world so chasing down every new plugin is not something they worry about. I have been debating on a similar approach but I don't think I can kick my plugin addiction.