Translating 'em is as funny as listening to Schlager which is - for good reason - the most hated music style over here.
E.g. don't aks for the lyrics of "Die Glocken von Rom (The Bells of Rome)"...
Why Are A Disproportionate Number Of Songwriters British?
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- KVRAF
- 2807 posts since 8 Sep, 2009
Well, the lyrics are questionable as long as we talk about chart hits.
Translating 'em is as funny as listening to Schlager which is - for good reason - the most hated music style over here.
E.g. don't aks for the lyrics of "Die Glocken von Rom (The Bells of Rome)"...
Translating 'em is as funny as listening to Schlager which is - for good reason - the most hated music style over here.
E.g. don't aks for the lyrics of "Die Glocken von Rom (The Bells of Rome)"...
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- addled muppet weed
- 111304 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
worse is the colonies, we didn't send them there to have fun
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
It's culture. Brits almost invented 'Pop Music' alone. Iirc at the end of the 60s the Beatles etc represented the 3rd industry export force for the UK. (or was it 5th ?? anyway it contributed a lot)
While Rythm'n'Blues, then Rock have their roots in the US/jazz/Blues etc, 'Pop' is a melting pot. Then, english is the dominant language for all popular music things, especially since the market has become a global/world one. Culture, language, and the pragmatic side of English that make that as soon as you know 4 chords, then you can write a song : Everything's there. Long live England, and thanks for 'Pop'.
While Rythm'n'Blues, then Rock have their roots in the US/jazz/Blues etc, 'Pop' is a melting pot. Then, english is the dominant language for all popular music things, especially since the market has become a global/world one. Culture, language, and the pragmatic side of English that make that as soon as you know 4 chords, then you can write a song : Everything's there. Long live England, and thanks for 'Pop'.
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
I know that many people here have little interest in history and whatnot, but anyone who does may want to consult this book about the rather large number of American songwriters who were extremely influential.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
The Beatles when they began were pretty derivative.
Someone thinks their early covers were improvements, fine, but I don't agree, I think they pale.
The thread's basic premise seems off to me.
Someone thinks their early covers were improvements, fine, but I don't agree, I think they pale.
The thread's basic premise seems off to me.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111304 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
yeah the beatles where a bit meh! before the acid.jancivil wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:30 pm The Beatles when they began were pretty derivative.
Someone thinks their early covers were improvements, fine, but I don't agree, I think they pale.
The thread's basic premise seems off to me.
maybe that's the answer, we had better/more acid?
or maybe ours was nice acid because yours was cia tainted?
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- KVRAF
- 2807 posts since 8 Sep, 2009
Fixed the link for you. Thanks for the suggestion!herodotus wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:24 pm I know that many people here have little interest in history and whatnot, but anyone who does may want to consult The House That George Built: With a Little Help from Irving, Cole, and a Crew of About Fifty about the rather large number of American songwriters who were extremely influential.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7001 posts since 20 Mar, 2012 from Babbleon
I was curious, I really wanted to know, so I did bother do more Googling. Bad habit (create thread, then do Googling later).
Sure, my thread's title might not even be true. If it isn't true, statistics and books might be one way to state it's not true? Be my guest.
I might edit my thread's title and change it to Why Are A Disproportionate Number Of HIT Songwriters Not British? But I doubt it.
Below is an article listing the 50 best British songwriters.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/mus ... iters.html
And below are 30 songwriters from Michigan. Michigan is similar to the UK in terms of land size, population size, and maybe weather too.
https://www.mlive.com/entertainment/201 ... y_not.html
The last link below might be useful.
I haven't looked at it too thoroughly because I have to play speed scrabble soon.
List of Billboard number-one singles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_B ... ne_singles
Briefly looking at the "List of Billboard number-one singles", it seems that in the beginning, not as many Brits were that inspired to be songwriters. Then in 1964, the Beatles started having their "originals" become number one hits and then other Brits became inspired and became active songwriters, British Invasion, and all that. And then the British super-groups came along. Then the punks. Then the retro bands like Oasis. Then... I'm not even sure about the correct progression.
Hey, are the Brits still as active songwriting-wise or is it a downward spiral now?
Heck, is songwriting a dying craft? The incentives have changed? I read that the teenager Lennon and McCartney were driven primarily by the desire to be famous and rich. True, grown-ups have different drives like "not in it for fame and fortune, in it for other grown-up reasons". Is long-lasting "fame and fortune" still possible in the Internet age? Are there less songwriters now?
In the past, most band starters were teenagers and the prime incentive is "fame and fortune"? I'm just guessing. On the other hand, maybe a lot of the bands that were inspired by the Beatles were different and were also driven by "Let's write our own songs like the Beatles did, it will be a challenge, we will have fun." and not only by "fame and fortune" and "sex, drugs, and rock and roll".
Do albums count as hits. Dark Site Of The Moon is a massive global hit. Super popular. And it's not even really pop music in terms of content?
Sure, my thread's title might not even be true. If it isn't true, statistics and books might be one way to state it's not true? Be my guest.
I might edit my thread's title and change it to Why Are A Disproportionate Number Of HIT Songwriters Not British? But I doubt it.
Below is an article listing the 50 best British songwriters.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/mus ... iters.html
And below are 30 songwriters from Michigan. Michigan is similar to the UK in terms of land size, population size, and maybe weather too.
https://www.mlive.com/entertainment/201 ... y_not.html
The last link below might be useful.
I haven't looked at it too thoroughly because I have to play speed scrabble soon.
List of Billboard number-one singles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_B ... ne_singles
Briefly looking at the "List of Billboard number-one singles", it seems that in the beginning, not as many Brits were that inspired to be songwriters. Then in 1964, the Beatles started having their "originals" become number one hits and then other Brits became inspired and became active songwriters, British Invasion, and all that. And then the British super-groups came along. Then the punks. Then the retro bands like Oasis. Then... I'm not even sure about the correct progression.
Hey, are the Brits still as active songwriting-wise or is it a downward spiral now?
Heck, is songwriting a dying craft? The incentives have changed? I read that the teenager Lennon and McCartney were driven primarily by the desire to be famous and rich. True, grown-ups have different drives like "not in it for fame and fortune, in it for other grown-up reasons". Is long-lasting "fame and fortune" still possible in the Internet age? Are there less songwriters now?
In the past, most band starters were teenagers and the prime incentive is "fame and fortune"? I'm just guessing. On the other hand, maybe a lot of the bands that were inspired by the Beatles were different and were also driven by "Let's write our own songs like the Beatles did, it will be a challenge, we will have fun." and not only by "fame and fortune" and "sex, drugs, and rock and roll".
Do albums count as hits. Dark Site Of The Moon is a massive global hit. Super popular. And it's not even really pop music in terms of content?
ah böwakawa poussé poussé
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
vurt wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:35 pmyeah the beatles where a bit meh! before the acid.jancivil wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:30 pm The Beatles when they began were pretty derivative.
Someone thinks their early covers were improvements, fine, but I don't agree, I think they pale.
The thread's basic premise seems off to me.
maybe that's the answer, we had better/more acid?
or maybe ours was nice acid because yours was cia tainted?
The CIA has nothing to do with it.
Where's your Hendrix then?
Thought so.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111304 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
he was over here a lot of the time
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
No, because Max Martin singlehandedly keeps it alive.
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- KVRAF
- 2807 posts since 8 Sep, 2009
Epic fail.
Like writing Opple, Pursche or Queen Merry.
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
I think he was refering to KVR, before the -hideous- light blue update.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7001 posts since 20 Mar, 2012 from Babbleon
Hahaha. Oops. I don't know how that happened. I guess the spellchecker scanned Dark Site Of The Moon and concluded "it's not misspelled".
Or or or I did type Dark Side Of The Moon and the spellchecker auto-corrected it for me. Wrongly? Nah.
In scrabble, I always squander the blanks. For example, I would have the letters FRETHO and a blank. So then, in a rush, and in a panic I would wrongly see the H as an A (I'm kind of cross-eyed) and I would type FART and since I don't have an A, the blank becomes A and the scrabble spellchecker or machine referee sees it as a valid word and lets me play it.
And then I would lose the game but I would win the time because the opponent spends precious time being in shock probably thinking "I can't believe it, the fool squandered the blank for such a low scoring word as FART.
Well, I am off to have more giggles, making mistakes and playing words like that, in scrabble. Okay, bye.
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