Does Melody Even Matter??

[herodotus]

people who take themselves too seriously die lonely.

And yet most people take themselves seriously at least sometimes, or they wouldn't do anything but masturbate and eat ice cream.

If all we are is worm food why not just overdose on morphine on some freshly turned earth? It would save a lot of trouble, no?

[Dasheesh]

people who take themselves too seriously die lonely.

And yet most people take themselves seriously at least sometimes, or they wouldn't do anything but masturbate and eat ice cream.

If all we are is worm food why not just overdose on morphine on some freshly turned earth? It would save a lot of trouble, no?

you still have an ego to let go of. i know, it's hard. i still work at it everyday. pride will take you down.

i can spot it a mile away, and you probably can too, the fakes. if you come at me as something you are not i will call you on it. i will get in your face. but, if you can do what you say you can (like chris brown in the example here) i got nothing. just smile while you are doing it. whatever your "it" is. you take it as far as you want to. others are going to take it as far as they want to... either way, you don't really matter except to the ones immediately around you.

[Dasheesh]

learn to stop thinking of you, and start appreciating others endeavors. it's a hard thing to do... to let go.

[donkey tugger]

or they wouldn't do anything but masturbate and eat ice cream.

Hmm, this ice cream seems to have melted, and it smells weird.

[herodotus]

learn to stop thinking of you, and start appreciating others endeavors. it's a hard thing to do... to let go.

Now that's not exactly fair. I've been happily married for 15 years!

[herodotus]

And I think neither of my wife, nor myself, nor anyone at kvr as "worm food".

Well maybe donks....

[Dasheesh]

hey, i've been married for 15 yrs too. happy anniversary to us. cheers.

[donkey tugger]

And I think neither of my wife, nor myself, nor anyone at kvr as "worm food".

Well maybe donks....

I've been called a number of things over the years (although mostly, 'c**t' to be honest) but never, 'worm food'. Nice one.

[jancivil]

Jancivil, that's jargon from musicology as a science. the word "value" is neutral, it's akin to "belief".....

You said 'values', they don't have the same values; and the word is not valueless even in this sense.
I have a pretty good understanding of the language, trying to snow me is not going to score.
And it's not a science.

[Deep Purple]

or they wouldn't do anything but masturbate and eat ice cream.

Hmm, this ice cream seems to have melted, and it smells weird.

[jancivil]

people who take themselves too seriously die lonely.

People who talk always at the level of a gossip die vapid.

[jancivil]

Recently I've been discovering covers like this one (I found it googling Britney Spears covers; the reason for that is I had landed on a jazz cover, quite different than the original, of Baby One More Time, which I think is a good tune by Max Martin He is a talented man, but he's so formula and facile. He's written some horrors IMO.):



So this is probably a <good tune> to begin with. A jazz kind of singer does some things with it. It's exquisite, and it is that because of technical mastery and excellence. Jazz was always about covering 'good tunes'. You can go further.

It's not going to sell much.
Is selling a lot supposed to be something other than what it is?

That is a Great Cover, thanks For Sharing it.

I'm happy to.

[IncarnateX]

Bernstein was a great pedagog, and that video has some "precious stones". It actually shakes some pre-defined notions that still exist today, like the repetition as basis for what should be a "good melody", and that 1-2-3 rule. And his examples of Bach, Wagner and Hindemith are great to show how melody can be far from that pre-defined notion that is more or less built-in our brains, and still be melody (but then, most people would not recognize those as "melodies", I guess).

Oh, with “the best of it” , I meant it was the best of what I could get from musicologo’s post, not the video. I have nothing but respect for Bernstein, and I think his concepts make good sense within my own field of interest, so we are deffo in agreement as far as that charmer concerns.

[Dasheesh]

in the nineties we all took ourselves very seriously. that doesn't work anymore. it's about connecting. the more people you can connect with, the bigger your paycheck. it's a game, get it? it has nothing to do with musical know how, that's a PERSONAL endeavor. it's about being inclusive, and not exclusive.

i've said enough, and all i need to say, but it was also the anniversary of something very important recently, that fits in nicely here. feb. 14th was the anniversary of the "pale blue dot." enjoy.

[jancivil]

"All other music practices are then considered "inferior" because of the "simplicity" of the musical materials and the lack of innovation or dexterity. Most pop music is seen as infantile because any 10 year old can play those, and imitate those.

Of course, everyone who starts from other kinds of values..."

But none of it a value judgement. Bull_shit.

So my characterization:
There are supposedly differing values, people that are very interested and people who aren't really. And then the people who are look down on simplicity and have complex reasons for seeing infantilizing for what it is, because they're snobs or somewhat.

is unfair because it's only 'jargon', the word "value". No, we can see what was said verbatim and then my assessment. The reader can judge, I don't need to say it. Don't insult my intelligence, you aren't enough in command of your own usage to pull it off.


IE: if I were to call myself atheist, I'm not affirming anything by it. It's not in itself a belief system, it's an absence of a particular one. A lack of enough interest in music to think about it on a certain level is not a value or a value system, it affirms nothing. As I said. The usage you felt it was time to school me on I know, FFS, and it changes nothing about the matter.