You know what would be great? Ableton Studio

[waltercruz]

Well, an Ableton Live without session view would be... Ableton Dead.

[machinesworking]

I wonder why I keep entertaining the idea I can post anything on the web and hope that it's going to be a fun experience and that we can all have a laugh together.
Cue rudeness, politics, taking it as if one's life depends on Ableton's integrity.
Cheers to those who kept it light.
I'm out.

Life is much easier if you don't get upset when other people have different views than you. You're literally judging and holding court over the answers people have given, then deciding it didn't meet your "standards".

I keep on posting on the internet hoping to have meaningful discussion where I don't have to sycophantically agree all the time with someone in order for it not to turn into emotionally charged histrionic drama. I'm being as unrealistic as you though I suspect.

[generaldiomedes]

I would like a dedicated mixer view that doesnt involve resizing tracks.

[antic604]

What else should it lose - racks? simpler? Push support? max for live?

Why won't you just use Cubase, Logic, Reaper or S1 instead?

[whyterabbyt]

I cant help but think that 'product X would be better without its Unique Selling Points That Established a Brand New Product Niche' might not be an opinion that overlaps with the business plan and roadmap of the developer.

Given that its fair to say that Live's Arrange view is less well-developed/featured than the purely linear DAWs, I also wonder what the perceived advantages of a Session-less Live would be in comparison to all those other DAWs with that specific focus.

[bmanic]

I wonder why I keep entertaining the idea I can post anything on the web and hope that it's going to be a fun experience and that we can all have a laugh together.
Cue rudeness, politics, taking it as if one's life depends on Ableton's integrity.
Cheers to those who kept it light.
I'm out.

[Russell Grand]

My dream Ableton Studio would be Ableton with FL Studio's piano roll and IL Edison.

[v1o]

What’s so special about Session View anyway. Isn’t it no different from a pattern sequencer, the likes of which you see on hardware like MPCs? Even Orion had pattern sequencing.

[machinesworking]

What’s so special about Session View anyway. Isn’t it no different from a pattern sequencer, the likes of which you see on hardware like MPCs? Even Orion had pattern sequencing.

Scene firing in Session view is like the others, except much much better. You can select clips outside the scene to fire with that Scene, you can select individual clips to fire at different quantize settings, you can set Follow Actions that fire the clip above or below that clip to fire after x amount of bars, beats etc.

Session view is miles above the rest, and I own an MPC and DP10, not Bitwig...yet.. It just is, the one thing that keeps me using Live is Session View, it has references in other Daws like MPC and Orion etc. but it's just years ahead of them at this time.

AKAI caught up with Force, but they even sell it as a great front end to Live, stand alone device etc. No Follow Actions in Force though..

[machinesworking]

My dream Ableton Studio would be Ableton with FL Studio's piano roll and IL Edison.

My dream Ableton upgrade would be MPE support, and SysEx. I might not leave it for other DAWs sometimes if that was the case.

[v1o]

What’s so special about Session View anyway. Isn’t it no different from a pattern sequencer, the likes of which you see on hardware like MPCs? Even Orion had pattern sequencing.

Scene firing in Session view is like the others, except much much better. You can select clips outside the scene to fire with that Scene, you can select individual clips to fire at different quantize settings, you can set Follow Actions that fire the clip above or below that clip to fire after x amount of bars, beats etc.

Session view is miles above the rest, and I own an MPC and DP10, not Bitwig...yet.. It just is, the one thing that keeps me using Live is Session View, it has references in other Daws like MPC and Orion etc. but it's just years ahead of them at this time.

AKAI caught up with Force, but they even sell it as a great front end to Live, stand alone device etc. No Follow Actions in Force though..

The follow actions stuff seems interesting. Can you add probability or randomness to actions? And can you layer actions on top of each other? I have the 8 track versions of Bitwig and Live but never really delved deep.

[elassi]

The follow actions stuff seems interesting. Can you add probability or randomness to actions?

Yep, both. No layering, though.

[jonljacobi]

Live could easily accommodate a more studio-oriented demeanor without ditching a thing. It’s perfectly serviceable now in both roles, if not optimal for studio stuff.

[Elektronisch]

I work mainly on Cubase, S1, PT but sometimes I use Live 9 as song starter / sound bank and never use session view.
It doesn't matter how much I want to like Live (and I do), there comes a point in every production when I have to export the stems to a traditional DAW because I hit my perceived limitations of the software, especially for vocal / real instruments production.
As I always say, I think Live is a musical instrument that has been dragged kicking and screaming into the DAW category.
All the limitations I find in the software are there because its nature of looper / performance instrument. Its feature set is geared towards quick action and, despite being extremely deep in many unexpected ways, it's not designed for heavy lifting work in the studio environment; or maybe that's my perception of it.
Can I produce a song in Live from start to finish and have it doing all I need it to do? Yes of course.
Do I prefer using linear daws over Live for stuff that needs comping or for the mix stage? Yes because I can work better / quicker.
Do I like to fantasize about an environment that's the holy grail of sound design and editing / mixing? Yep, that too.
It's only pour parler anyway...

Then stick for quick song writing the stuff you mainly use lol

Abletons main strenght is Session view. Session view is the reason why Avbelton is called Live - perform live.

[Elektronisch]

Live could easily accommodate a more studio-oriented demeanor without ditching a thing. It’s perfectly serviceable now in both roles, if not optimal for studio stuff.

Because it isnt ment to be for studio users. Its ment towards more dance music producers and live performers. Have figured why its called Live?