Albums that made you go WTF

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

They were ordered to make 'relevant' music.

I'm sure that's the case in some instances. And people are definitely entitled to their own tastes, and how 'the latest' from a band they once loved, just sucks. However, I do get the feeling that a lot of this also has to do with fans placing their expectations on artists to continue doing what they always did, ad infinitum.

Personally, I think artists should be at liberty to explore whatever new ventures they wish, and jump as many sharks as their little waterskis will allow.

These two happily reside together in my iTunes collection:

[telecode]

They were ordered to make 'relevant' music.

I'm sure that's the case in some instances. And people are definitely entitled to their own tastes, and how 'the latest' from a band they once loved, just sucks. However, I do get the feeling that a lot of this also has to do with fans placing their expectations on artists to continue doing what they always did, ad infinitum.

Personally, I think artists should be at liberty to explore whatever new ventures they wish, and jump as many sharks as their little waterskis will allow.

These two happily reside together in my iTunes collection:

The Lamb Dies on Broadway in actually my favorite of the Gabriel era Genesis. From a recent biography on Gabriel I found out that that record and tour were disaster for them and Gabriel was already out of the band by that point. He just did the tour as a contractual commitment.

We got into a long winded discussion on another forum I am on on the validity of Phil Collins as a musical artist in the history of rock and pop music. Apparently a lot of people only relate to him as the crooner who sings One More Night and the Tarzan songs and have no clue or concept of how he ties into avante guarde English rock music from the 70s and his influence on drumming style, technique and drum recording technique. It's all been washed away by his ballads.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

We got into a long winded discussion on another forum I am on on the validity of Phil Collins as a musical artist in the history of rock and pop music. Apparently a lot of people only relate to him as the crooner who sings One More Night and the Tarzan songs and have no clue or concept of how he ties into avante guarde English rock music from the 70s and his influence on drumming style, technique and drum recording technique. It's all been washed away by his ballads.

I'll take Collins drumming for Genesis, singing for Genesis, drumming for Brand X, and yes...I'll even take the crooning (I generally prefer ballads to be sung by women, but he's actually got a voice I like to hear ).

I would argue that even if you only knew Phil as a solo artist, his oeuvre and obvious talents are worthy of much more than the contempt he seems to receive.

So many great moments in this gig. Yeah, even the ballads ('Separate Lives', especially)

[vurt]

I would argue that even if you only knew Phil as a solo artist, his oeuvre and obvious talents are worthy of much more than the contempt he seems to receive.

as a counter argument, may i present "another day in paradise"
contempt deserved.

[donkey tugger]

I would argue that even if you only knew Phil as a solo artist, his oeuvre and obvious talents are worthy of much more than the contempt he seems to receive.

as a counter argument, may i present "another day in paradise"
contempt deserved.

Good old tory Phil. As you know, I hold him in the highest regard.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I would argue that even if you only knew Phil as a solo artist, his oeuvre and obvious talents are worthy of much more than the contempt he seems to receive.

as a counter argument, may i present "another day in paradise"
contempt deserved.

I don't really like the song either, but it is no counter-argument to hold up one example that supposedly undermines everything else he has done.

[telecode]

I would argue that even if you only knew Phil as a solo artist, his oeuvre and obvious talents are worthy of much more than the contempt he seems to receive.

as a counter argument, may i present "another day in paradise"
contempt deserved.

Agreed!!! and believe it or not, that single won a grammy for record of the year. the beginning fn the downward spiral of the grammys.

[kosmios]

I would argue that even if you only knew Phil as a solo artist, his oeuvre and obvious talents are worthy of much more than the contempt he seems to receive.

as a counter argument, may i present "another day in paradise"
contempt deserved.

Agreed!!! and believe it or not, that single won a grammy for record of the year. the beginning fn the downward spiral of the grammys.

You know it's about homeless people, living another day in 'paradise', do you? I learned that a few minutes ago while watching the official video on youtube. And I've heard the song on radio or TV many times since the eighties but was never aware what it's about. This was the first time I liked it. And I've been homeless.

And it has 254 million views. When do things start to have 'validity' for you guys?

[vurt]

im quite strict, i need 262.5 million views or its worthless.

ive been homeless too. then spent 5 years working for a homeless charity.
the song is still shit.

[telecode]

I would argue that even if you only knew Phil as a solo artist, his oeuvre and obvious talents are worthy of much more than the contempt he seems to receive.

as a counter argument, may i present "another day in paradise"
contempt deserved.

Agreed!!! and believe it or not, that single won a grammy for record of the year. the beginning fn the downward spiral of the grammys.

You know it's about homeless people, living another day in 'paradise', do you? I learned that a few minutes ago while watching the official video on youtube. And I've heard the song on radio or TV many times since the eighties but was never aware what it's about. This was the first time I liked it. And I've been homeless.

And it has 254 million views. When do things start to have 'validity' for you guys?

Well, the social back story to the song is great, but we are looking at it from the perspective of how well does it stack up as a segment to the body of work that Collin's did in his own solo career and his work with Genesis.

Musically, I think it's inferior work. Why? I guess because it's too mainstream and adult oriented pop oriented. A far distance from the things he did with 70s Genesis where they mixed elements of classical music and English lyrical and folk story melodies with rock music. Just my 2 cents.

[Deep Purple]

I'll take Collins...drumming for Brand X

I'm definitely a fan of his Genesis years, especially when Hackett was onboard, but I also like a handful of post-Hackett songs, and one or two of his solo efforts.

However, I felt he was the weak link with Brand X, and was totally out of his depth trying to do something he just didn't have an aptitude for. It always sounds to me like he was shoehorned into the band, and he struggled to find the right groove.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

However, I felt he was the weak link with Brand X, and was totally out of his depth trying to do something he just didn't have an aptitude for. It always sounds to me like he was shoehorned into the band, and he struggled to find the right groove.

Actually, the only album I know is 'Unorthodox Behaviour' which seems to descend into a bit of a shambles in various parts anyway. Always seemed like a bit of a jam to me, and the loss of groove seemed to be a shared issue. I may be wrong. Next time I listen, I'll try from another perspective

[Deep Purple]

However, I felt he was the weak link with Brand X, and was totally out of his depth trying to do something he just didn't have an aptitude for. It always sounds to me like he was shoehorned into the band, and he struggled to find the right groove.

Actually, the only album I know is 'Unorthodox Behaviour' which seems to descend into a bit of a shambles in various parts anyway. Always seemed like a bit of a jam to me, and the loss of groove seemed to be a shared issue. I may be wrong. Next time I listen, I'll try from another perspective

It's possible as I couldn't really tell you which album(s) I have heard - I just remember not being impressed in the least, particularly with Collins' drumming (which is think is absolutely fine in everything else I have heard him drum on).

[kosmios]

Well, the social back story to the song is great, but we are looking at it from the perspective of how well does it stack up as a segment to the body of work that Collin's did in his own solo career and his work with Genesis.

Musically, I think it's inferior work. Why? I guess because it's too mainstream and adult oriented pop oriented. A far distance from the things he did with 70s Genesis where they mixed elements of classical music and English lyrical and folk story melodies with rock music. Just my 2 cents.

I don't know any of that - not my type of music anyway, - so can't compare. But THIS TIME, listening to "Another Day" really clicked with me.

Just my 2 cents as well.

[jancivil]

Fortunately I was rather busy throughout the 80s