Roland Cloud

[chk071]

There are SO many things to take care of during tour...why would anyone's ability to use his equipment be dependent on such a stupid process is beyond me. What if someone is using 10 different plugins that require this once a week authorization, and each of them has a different authorization date? You can see how easily things can go wrong because of this utterly futile authorization methods.

For me that is a valid argument. I don't have that issue because i'm always connected.
But a re-authorise process every 7 days is not userfriendly in my book.
So, I understand the irritation but this has been discussed ad nauseam.

At least that's much better to comprehend than those authorization, or subscription "jail" comments. I can well understand that that could become an issue. Even though i'm sure most places do have internet these days.

[Caine123]

Awesome but i expected the jd990...

[Stefken]

i was on tour once (not playing, roadie) and rang home, my pet rabbit had died.

f**k you roland

Are you taking any prescription medication?

kind of.
well, im supposed to be.
but its a detox weekend.
why?

For those who remember Rainman, it's a weird way to say you like somebody.
(I thought weird would fit the bill )

[mrj1nx]

Does the roland 303 plugin have built in pitchbend?

[PAK]

Let's say it's 7 days: what if I'm on tour in different countries and doesn't have internet connectione?

Which country doesn't have internet? There's many roaming / wireless data solutions available. Even if we follow you off on your hypothetical rural rainforest tour, you'd better have a good communications solution sorted or you're gonna be worrying about a helluva lot more than whether plugins are authorized.

Can you find scenarios where it'd present problems? Yep, though they can all be overcome (satellite etc). Plus it ignores the wider point which is this is a hypothetical which doesn't really apply to the world many people live in now (at least the ones able to afford plugins in the first place..). You can get access in the middle of the ocean or 30,000 feet in the air. People will start to have a panic attack if they're not connected. It's not a good thing, btw (IMO). But it is what it is. It's pretty up there on peoples priority lists now, next to clean water and shelter.

What if someone is using 10 different plugins that require this once a week authorization, and each of them has a different authorization date?

The default behaviour for this stuff is to log in when they see a connection, so the time is always reset when it sees a connection. They will only complain when they haven't seen the internet for x days. If something isn't doing it this way then you'd probably want to complain to the company, to fix it, for that reason.

[beely]

It's amazing how many people bitching about paying £20/mo also seem to have world tours booked, that absolutely would require the Roland plugins they can't afford and aren't currently using, to perform with...

If the value proposition isn't right for you, don't subscribe. If the terms aren't right for you, don't subscribe. If you're concerned about reliability for live use, use something else. It's not like there aren't alternatives for all these things.

Back to the 303 - it looks and sounds very nice, works fine here (AU in Logic), and it's actually quite slick for a Roland Cloud plugin, which to date have had slightly quirky interfaces, and seems to have all the right features (*that* overdrive sound, the randomisation stuff, etc)... I'd say pretty good job, Roland...

[vurt]

i was on tour once (not playing, roadie) and rang home, my pet rabbit had died.

f**k you roland

Are you taking any prescription medication?

kind of.
well, im supposed to be.
but its a detox weekend.
why?

For those who remember Rainman, it's a weird way to say you like somebody.
(I thought weird would fit the bill )

[yehboy1]

Love the visual sequencer on this plugin - makes it so easy to tweak sequences.The lack of that is the main thing that put me off from the otherwise well-featured Phoscyon.

The TB-03 Boutique that I owned had a horrible excuse for an accent, so I hope this plugin fixes that.

[Bippo]

Awesome but i expected the jd990...

The 90's were nice...but we are in 2019, they already included the jv-1080 and d-50, why not expecting for something more modern such as integra/fantom? All these old romplers have their nostlagic value but I think they should have higher priority of including their most recent romplers instead of feeding the masses with old techonlogy in the form of vst.

Unless you aim for a retro sound, I doubt there's any advantage of using these old sounds compared to the high sample rate of kontakt libraries or spectrasonics products, for instance.

Let's say it's 7 days: what if I'm on tour in different countries and doesn't have internet connectione?

Which country doesn't have internet? There's many roaming / wireless data solutions available. Even if we follow you off on your hypothetical rural rainforest tour, you'd better have a good communications solution sorted or you're gonna be worrying about a helluva lot more than whether plugins are authorized.

Can you find scenarios where it'd present problems? Yep, though they can all be overcome (satellite etc). Plus it ignores the wider point which is this is a hypothetical which doesn't really apply to the world many people live in now (at least the ones able to afford plugins in the first place..). You can get access in the middle of the ocean or 30,000 feet in the air. People will start to have a panic attack if they're not connected. It's not a good thing, btw (IMO). But it is what it is. It's pretty up there on peoples priority lists now, next to clean water and shelter.

What if someone is using 10 different plugins that require this once a week authorization, and each of them has a different authorization date?

The default behaviour for this stuff is to log in when they see a connection, so the time is always reset when it sees a connection. They will only complain when they haven't seen the internet for x days. If something isn't doing it this way then you'd probably want to complain to the company, to fix it, for that reason.

And what if that's not the default behaviour?
What if you were busy doing press and interviews and didn't have the time to turn up your laptop and log in (sometimes you'll barely even have time to eat) , then you come to the soundcheck and find out you are screwed? Why would you have even the tiniest amount of worries about stuff like that when you already payed for the product and need your 100% focus on performing?

People should stop get used to this type of nonsense.
There's nothing wrong with a one-time authorization process and moving on with your life.
It doesn't matter what type of authorizations processes companies will invent, as long as it doesn't require finger prints, it's gonna get pirated.
I don't see any reason to trust a company which doesn't trust its customers.

It's amazing how many people bitching about paying £20/mo also seem to have world tours booked, that absolutely would require the Roland plugins they can't afford and aren't currently using, to perform with...

If the value proposition isn't right for you, don't subscribe. If the terms aren't right for you, don't subscribe. If you're concerned about reliability for live use, use something else. It's not like there aren't alternatives for all these things.

I did put way more money than £20*12*X for products that I knew from day one were mine to use and abuse freely.
And guess what, there are alternatives and I didn't continue the subscription and I'm using something else for live use.
All of these facts doesn't mean that I can't state my opinion, like we all do

[Bippo]

Btw, I don't have anything against Roland (or any sort of company), I really think that their hardware is amazing and that their contribution for music is huge. If I didn't care for them or their products, I wouldn't post anything at the first place. But seeing how such a great company make so many mistakes in the field of software and going the wrong way (in my opinion of course ) is kinda disappointing.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Can't you have a roadie or someone else in your crew make sure your plugins are authorized? I mean, no way I'm even tuning my own guitar if I'm that big. Sir Elton does not tune his own piano before gigs. Surely someone can authorize your plugins every 7 days.

Mention it during your next press junket, Roland may see and decide to give you an endorsement and magic unlock code.

[DavidCarlyon]

I have to say, i am really glad i got this subscription. I now think its actually a pretty good deal. The price of one moderately priced synth for a years sub, keeping two at the end.

Plus since subscribing a couple of months ago, i have already recieved a hell of a lot of updates...and now we have the 303.

The quality of these synths (in my opinion) is excellent. Absolutely up there with the best VA's out there.
Just downloaded...cant wait to try (303)

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I have to say, i am really glad i got this subscription. I now think its actually a pretty good deal. The price of one moderately priced synth for a years sub, keeping two at the end.

Plus since subscribing a couple of months ago, i have already recieved a hell of a lot of updates...and now we have the 303.

The quality of these synths (in my opinion) is excellent. Absolutely up there with the best VA's out there.
Just downloaded...cant wait to try (303)

That's been my take too. If I could buy the plugs, I'd get:

1. System-8 (have the hardware)
2. Juno-106
3. D-50
4. 808
5. 909
6. 303 (really enjoyed this today)
7. JX-3P
8. Jupiter-8 (the most boring out of the bunch that I use regularly)
9. SH-101 (which I previsouly owned the pre-Cloud version - still hoping they issue permanent licenses for these)

If you figure they'd charge around $149 for each and offered no bundle, that'd be well over a grand right there. $20 a month + 2 plugins per year seems perfectly reasonable to me all things considered.

[fmr]

Awesome but i expected the jd990...

The 90's were nice...but we are in 2019, they already included the jv-1080 and d-50, why not expecting for something more modern such as integra/fantom? All these old romplers have their nostlagic value but I think they should have higher priority of including their most recent romplers instead of feeding the masses with old techonlogy in the form of vst.

Unless you aim for a retro sound, I doubt there's any advantage of using these old sounds compared to the high sample rate of kontakt libraries or spectrasonics products, for instance.

You are funny. Didn't you realize yet that Roland Cloud is ALL about recreations in software of OLD machines? Do you know any hardware manufacturer that offers SIMULTAENOUSLY software versions of their hardware instruments currently on the market?

Besides, the Integra and the Fantom are nothing more than variations of the JV-1080 (which actually goes way beyond the 1080, up to the XV-5080). We around here aim for the JD-800/JD-990 because they had something that you CAN'T find in those "modern" Roland machines (the same way the Jupiter had, and the Juno, and the x0x machines, etc.)

And, if we are going for more modern machines, Roland has one that easily overpasses those Fantoms and Integra - the V-Synth. I, as well as some others, also hope to see that one - way more than any Fantom, I dare to say.

You seem to know little about the subject.

[fmr]

If you figure they'd charge around $149 for each and offered no bundle, that'd be well over a grand right there. $20 a month + 2 plugins per year seems perfectly reasonable to me all things considered.

I don't think they keep the 2 per year offer. That was just last year, I think. The program was, and still is, if I'm not mistaken, ONE plug-in per year.