Swingbeat; How do I do it?

[jancivil]

Proof of concept:

swing quantize.jpg

I have selected 16th note triplets for the quantization, and grid type to 'use quantize';
So I go to time warp to reveal the actual beats, and you may notice "on tempo event" there, matching the kick drum before the next beat. Also note the Tempo Track giving the BPM. I took care to make all the quarter notes in the timeline agree with the audio exactly. Check it out.
It pushes the beat, it is _not_ quantized 16th note triplets there.


I know specifically wtf I'm on about.

[jancivil]

Actually right there, there is this double bass drum thing. I chose the second one as closer to the other BPMs.
If I choose the first one:

Grid_2.jpg

as the supposed 16th note triplet, we now have 86 BPM and landing way ahead of the grid (this one is nowhere near the straight 16th at the previous BPM either). What did I say, push and pull. Human timing specifically happening.
So, in fact, this drum part (it's very compressed-sounding, I don't know what produced the sounds) is so not quantized.

[jancivil]

Pure Nonsense. You clearly don't know the style.
It's all about samples and layers and layers of them.
Breakbeats

Afaik both individual drum hits and loops apply to “samples” whether they are layered or not, so ...

It's hilarious, isn't it. Producahs, it's all just layering and production techniques, there is no thought as to what went into a beat because they don't actually *make* them. To the other one, it's just the swing button on a machine.
Well, no, unless it can push and pull the time as I showed as though some form of AI.

[toonertik]

Well, no, unless it can push and pull the time as I showed as though some form of AI.

Back in 1973 I got a pair of conga drums and played 4/6 hours a day.. criss_crossing rhythms. Eventually I got proficient enough to play with some salsa and steel bands.
NO grid, NO quantisation just a feeling.. a happening and no banging 4 / 4
Criss_crossing rhythms pushing and pulling, pushing and pulling... it was so alive








pushing and pulling... said that to a few women as well... lets get a swing on... ok, reaching for my coat.

[IncarnateX]

Well, Jan, there is the good old Roland R-8 “humanization principle” to spice up your quantifications in some DAWs, though it basically just provides random timing errors and does not apply shit to intended push and pulls.

Apart from that little tech-fart, you are absolutely right: Beats are self-generated samples growing on construction-kit trees.

(Besides, the tune from the vid did not sound that multilayered at all to me but what the heck, I am probably just getting deaf)

[jancivil]

Well, no, unless it can push and pull the time as I showed as though some form of AI.

Back in 1973 I got a pair of conga drums and played 4/6 hours a day.. criss_crossing rhythms. Eventually I got proficient enough to play with some salsa and steel bands.
NO grid, NO quantisation just a feeling.. a happening and no banging 4 / 4
Criss_crossing rhythms pushing and pulling, pushing and pulling... it was so alive








pushing and pulling... said that to a few women as well... lets get a swing on... ok, reaching for my coat.

[jancivil]

FTR I don't think that track sounds like real drums. It sounded more lively than my Yahama in the late 80s, but for instance the Roland you mention had 8 outs and you could take those to a board and dirty it up some. Probably finger-drummed on such a machine. That one had velocity and pressure sensitivity which I believe after running through it in Nuendo a few times - eg. the double bass drum little lick - would almost have to, IME.

[christian f.]

Hahahaha ... you clearly don't know anything about producing swing beat or anything with a beat .
I checked the noise on your Bandcamp and it looks like you spent more time posting here than actually producing music. lmfao

This forum is your only outlet, but no one wants to hear your "music" looking at the views and your "knowledge" of this style is sub zero.

[IncarnateX]

This forum is your only outlet, but no one wants to hear your "music" looking at the views and your "knowledge" of this style is sub zero.

Take a hike Mr. “no one”. This is not a forum for conceited crackheads. You are but a brain-blur, and Jan just proved it by analysing the oh so layered and quantified beat.

[IncarnateX]

Amazing for such a beat expert that he does not even know the art of sampling live drummers for breakbeats and how to deal with robotic quantification by sampling free pad drumming on drum machines. Why does the minimal measure of quantification mean so much to people with regard to modern sequencers? It is not like they play in 1/256 notes or higher. More likely because many want to play in free hand as far as possible. In the good old days you had to sample free hand play and loop. We are talking about old means to deal with old problems in the history of beat making machines. No big deal really, to other than the ignorant.

Here i give you Nastya Maslova with her Boss Looper. Free hand play all of it. She uses her voice for perc and hats as well. Her drums are made free hand with a iPad 2 running the iMPC app within a dedicated chasis.



Not exactly swing here, but could as well have been, unless you are going to tell us that hip-hop etc. do not make use of live looping (including voice) at all for beat making

[christian f.]

All you guys do is talk and analyse , but Jan's music (and demand for it) speaks for it self.

This is urban music and has nothing to do with analysing or record live drummers and then turn those into break beats. ALL the famous songs from that era are SAMPLED beats from 60/70's soul funk records.
I already gave the wrecks n effect example which you and Jan probably never heard of.

Educate yourself instead of posting too much on this forum spreading misinformation.

Then you continue to expose yourself even further by posting this example as if this has anything to do with hiphop or urban music. LMFAO. You must be trolling.

[IncarnateX]

All you guys do is talk and analyse , but Jan's music (and demand for it) speaks for it self.

Pathetic ad hominem crap and a fallacy. Go figure. And you just denied Jan’s proof for everyone to see that you were wrong. Climate change denier too, I suppose?

This is urban music and has nothing to do with analysing or record live drummers and then turn those into break beats. ALL the famous songs from that era are SAMPLED beats from 60/70's soul funk records.

I did not say anything about analysing drummers but recording them. Pathetic strawmen too? And have you considered that the sampled soul records corresponds to samples of live players too, which you just said it is not about? (look up)

And FYI: Before you said that it was all but layering of samples and individual hits by which you tried to counter Jan’s statement that the beat in question was not quantified but now you admit that beats can be recordings of 70s soul bands? What became of your quantification point, then? It’s a mess. You obviously do not even know what you are arguing for or against.

It's all about samples and layers and layers of them.Breakbeats and individual kicks and snares al layered.

And this pearl:

Educate yourself instead of posting too much on this forum spreading misinformation.

Good one, rubbish head.

Then you continue to expose yourself even further by posting this example as if this has anything to do with hiphop or urban music. LMFAO. You must be trolling.

Of course I did not really expect YOU to get my simple illustration that a beat can made with free play only without quantification. just everyone else with an intelligence working 3-6% better than a shoe horn.But keep clowning mate and keep the ad hominems going as well, so a mod eventually can ban you into oblivion where you belong.

[vurt]

so the drums from those records that where sampled, how did they get there?
recorded by live drummers who had studied technique for years or left by elves that came in to fix shoes overnight?

then, why did they choose those particular grooves to sample? because of the technique used.

while you may not be interested in what went in to the rhythms and just want some "press play" solution, there is a rich history behind the music.

[Gamma-UT]

...or left by elves that came in to fix shoes overnight?

Are you saying it wasn't elves? This is how childhood dies.

[vurt]

...or left by elves that came in to fix shoes overnight?

Are you saying it wasn't elves? This is how childhood dies.

no, they where fixing shoes.

im just not sure they where laying grooves on soul records.