I don't think you can sync one osc to the other...? That is what I was meaning - the sync you would find on actual synths (e.g. Prophets), not an effect found on some modern VSTs. I know, it's not common - that's the problem.
Looking for a very basic, pleasant to use freeware synth
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 913 posts since 9 Aug, 2018
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- KVRAF
- 2491 posts since 3 Dec, 2006
You can check out Dominator CM has all your requirements! The best Osc Snyc that I have heard on a freeware synth besides Synth1 is on Superwave p8. The only downside is that it only has a 12db lpf. That being said there are many of the super wave synths that will meet your requirements and they are not expensive and all are available in 64 bit aswell.
Check out www.superwavesynths.com
Check out www.superwavesynths.com
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 913 posts since 9 Aug, 2018
Would you believe Surge also doesn't offer Triangle? What I was saying about that - here we are yet again. *One osc* with Tri is sorta common-ish (less than one might assume, however), but *two*? Who would ever need that?! /rolleyes
And Dominator doesn't seem to have Osc Sync, or a Noise 'Osc' either.
Hilarious, seeing just how impossible this combination of very basic features is to find.
Did I mention being able to have Noise as a Dest (LFO, etc.) ? Well, that's a thing too. Like, an extremely basic thing, IMO (like, in hardware). And yet, it seems another luxury feature in softsynths.
Wow.
Oh, and btw, the reason I missed a few things before (inc. noise as dest, sorry!) is exactly that: I'm used to decent hardware, and expect at least the absolute basics to be here too... except, time and time again, they're not. Or, they are, but never all together in the one synth. Not so far...
And Dominator doesn't seem to have Osc Sync, or a Noise 'Osc' either.
Hilarious, seeing just how impossible this combination of very basic features is to find.
Did I mention being able to have Noise as a Dest (LFO, etc.) ? Well, that's a thing too. Like, an extremely basic thing, IMO (like, in hardware). And yet, it seems another luxury feature in softsynths.
Wow.
Oh, and btw, the reason I missed a few things before (inc. noise as dest, sorry!) is exactly that: I'm used to decent hardware, and expect at least the absolute basics to be here too... except, time and time again, they're not. Or, they are, but never all together in the one synth. Not so far...
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- KVRian
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- KVRAF
- 2846 posts since 8 Jun, 2018
mix is a kind of volume level, but i understand it.kvotchin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:12 pm Would you believe ModulAir doesn't have Triangle? Well, there you go. Must be the RHSC of waveforms, I tell you.
Element is *so close*, but doesn't have per-oscillator volume levels, just mix.
Speaking of which, even Serum doesn't do "all this" (lol, as if it's a lot to ask).
softube modular? VCV? voltage modular? VCV is free...
@soundPorn; element i bought also with a deal for instruments, don't remember it correctly, or do i? buy one instrument and the second $1, or was it plugin. bought element 2.0 and codex, together for only $25 or so.. cheap...
the waves FM flow motion, is a nice plugin. didn't demoed it. i have NI FM8, arturia DX7 V, and primarly FM8 is a instrument for FM i use a lot, programming and play... i am used to it. but the flow motion, was tempting, for some other tricks. i am forgetting other FM plugins, i think, o well, back to ON TOPIC.
it has something, very demanding, or better: the very precise wish for certain features.
a modular approach seems to me the best way:
"need 2 oscillators, each with saw, triangle and variable pulse, also separate level controls; oscillator sync; low pass filter that can be in 12dB or 24dB mode; white noise 'oscillator'; and of course an lfo and the usual two envelopes, with basic routing options."
as i see it the basic softubae modular has it, the voltage modular, and VCV...
you only need to make your own routing. for specific features, needs, a modular approach seems the best. (??)
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- KVRAF
- 8828 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
VCV Rack should do it. You could even program a device in case you miss something within the gazillion modules... Anyway, if you believe all your requested features are so basic and none of the commercial or free synths have all of it, go ahead and create it... (or kindly ask Full bucket if he would add that crucial triangle...)
I‘d go for Surge btw...
Have you ever looked how a triangle can be created? In a modular you can combine a sawtooth with a square to achieve it. Its way less basic as you might think, but not too difficult either...
I‘d go for Surge btw...
Have you ever looked how a triangle can be created? In a modular you can combine a sawtooth with a square to achieve it. Its way less basic as you might think, but not too difficult either...
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- KVRAF
- 2265 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Lancaster, UK
I agree with WasteLand - going modular will probably be the best way (or refine your requirements; there might be a reason why all these popular synths can actually be sold anyway... 
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So: MUX (or similar) would be my choice. I can't say if you'd be happy with the sound or not, but at least it should do exactly what you ask for, and then some.
...or skip your requirments and get a really cool synth instead, like Gator.
).So: MUX (or similar) would be my choice. I can't say if you'd be happy with the sound or not, but at least it should do exactly what you ask for, and then some.
...or skip your requirments and get a really cool synth instead, like Gator.
Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:15 pm Passing Bye wrote:
"look at SparkySpark's post 4 posts up, let that sink in for a moment"
Go MuLab!
"look at SparkySpark's post 4 posts up, let that sink in for a moment"
Go MuLab!
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 15 Jun, 2017
Huh? You can get almost any oscillator shape in Surge. There are not many synths that offer so many options to create/shape oscillator shapes. Your triangle is in at least one of the wavetables. Speaking of wavetables: you can add waves/wavetables too, if you feel limited.
The list of requirement for this "simple"/"basic" synth keeps growing....kvotchin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:32 am Did I mention being able to have Noise as a Dest (LFO, etc.) ? Well, that's a thing too. Like, an extremely basic thing, IMO (like, in hardware). And yet, it seems another luxury feature in softsynths.
Wow.
Oh, and btw, the reason I missed a few things before (inc. noise as dest, sorry!) is exactly that: I'm used to decent hardware, and expect at least the absolute basics to be here too... except, time and time again, they're not. Or, they are, but never all together in the one synth. Not so far...
Noise as a destination? That would be solved by a noise oscilator that can receive modulation from a modulation source. I guess you mean noise as a modulation source (which is less common)?
Also suggesting that any "decent" hardware offers everything you are looking for and no (free) VST does just seems odd.
There's a whole lot of (free) synths available. All have their own pro's and con's, possibilities and impossibilities. So many great (free) synths to choose from. I've tried and used hundreds of them. But feel reluctant to suggest any. A number of great options have already been suggested and rejected.
Why not stop looking for an ever thickening Swiss Army Knive and just use the right synth for the right job at hand. There are so many factors that determine a synths (im)possibilities.
Also: there are many different Saw, Square and Triangle shapes. Some don't even really look like what the name suggests (on an oscilloscope). A very important part of their specific character...
Also, there are many different types of (e.g.) 24 dB/Oct Lowpass filters. Same name/slope/poles maybe. But with different behaviours. And different drive levels, noise levels, resonance characteristics, non-linearties etcetera. Also different envelope slopes. Etcetera, etcetera. All very important in what they can or can't do.
I'd say Surge is definitely one of the most versatile in the FREE world at this moment. But...that does not meet your "basic" requirement. And it's GUI will probably als not meet your requirements. Also not sure if it's pleasant enough...
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- KVRist
- 381 posts since 12 Jul, 2006
Is any of that "decent hardware" free?kvotchin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:32 amOh, and btw, the reason I missed a few things before (inc. noise as dest, sorry!) is exactly that: I'm used to decent hardware, and expect at least the absolute basics to be here too... except, time and time again, they're not. Or, they are, but never all together in the one synth. Not so far...
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- KVRAF
- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Could we have another list of the features which definitely HAVE to be in the synth? I somehow lost the plot, with all those new requirements, and the absolute need to have those waveforms in BOTH oscillators, and the absolute need to have a high pass, and all that. I also have a hard time figuring out why exactly you'd need that on one synth, and can't use two or three instead, if you want to have some functionality the one or the other one has. And why, in general, it is so important to have these features, and why there is no focus on sound.
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- KVRist
- 212 posts since 11 Jul, 2016
