Is music just an elaborate arpeggio?

[vurt]

ask jeeves
dont you know! :monocle:

[jancivil]

I prefer not

[vurt]

cant help it, it's the englander in me

but yeah, google it's even in the dictionary.
binging is too, but it doesn't mean using bing to search for information.

[jancivil]

so all of you have butlers, even the butler?

[vurt]

yes, hence the well used phrase "well ill be a butler butler!" as an exclamation of shock.

we also live in stately homes and wear morning suits and bowler hats

[vurt]

although, jeeves isn't technically a butler.
a butler is in charge of kitchen and downstairs staff.
jeeves is a manservant.
dresses you and keeps your name out of the papers.

[telecode]

Nor does all that fallacy change the fact of shitty music or garbage tunes for any time.

I firmly believe there is no such thing as "shitting music" or "garbage tunes". There are just people that do listen openly to music and the ones that don't. Do I think guys like Ry Cooder under Mo Ostins Warner bros/Reprise and Todd Rundgren under Bearsville were the best things released since sliced bread. Yes of course. But its music that is highly personal to me for my own private and personal reasons. But I absolutely do not expect newer younger generations to "dig" that stuff and the records and music those guys did when they were in their 20s to 40s -- they are old men now and their best work is behind them. Those back catalog records are archival and historic in value --- thats all.

I absolutely do not judge the quality or work of modern musicians or people like Drake, Shrillex or Kendrik Lamar or San Halo based on music that was made and released by artists and bands and producers from previous generations. It has no comparison. The new music of modern current artists holds it's own quality space and criteria and is separate and distinct from the stuff made in the 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s.

Digging up music books or old records and telling young people "what you are doing is incorrect. this is the correct way to make music" is kind of like telling people . "make music for me and my generation and not music for you and your generation".

just my own personal opinion.

[vurt]

no, theres plenty of good music i dont like.
theres also plenty of music i adore that i know is bad.

but there is also shit.

[vurt]

also, it's not about now or then.
theres always been shit.

[Ou_Tis]

Nor does all that fallacy change the fact of shitty music or garbage tunes for any time.

I firmly believe there is no such thing as "shitting music"

Perhaps that's when you scream on the toilet while blasting bluegrass music to help push the shit out... though that's my father's music. He really believes in it.

As mentioned in The Music Instinct, a lot of late 20th century popular music focuses more on rhythm, timbre, and energy. So having great melodies may not matter as much---they might even distract from the more "important" aspects, or if the music wants to embody raw, unpolished or anarchic energy, an obviously artful or coherent melody might detract....

[telecode]

Nor does all that fallacy change the fact of shitty music or garbage tunes for any time.

I firmly believe there is no such thing as "shitting music"

Perhaps that's when you scream on the toilet while blasting bluegrass music to help push the shit out... though that's my father's music. He really believes in it.

As mentioned in The Music Instinct, a lot of late 20th century popular music focuses more on rhythm, timbre, and energy. So having great melodies may not matter as much---they might even distract from the more "important" aspects, or if the music wants to embody raw, unpolished or anarchic energy, an obviously artful or coherent melody might detract....

I am gonna guess you never heard of new grass revival.

[Protocol_b]

Admittedly I am a bear of very little brains. But I hear even a chord progression as... yes, 3-or-more arpeggios in harmony. In modern western music, if you are navigating a scale, you are in effect creating arpeggios of more or less complexity, some slower (rhythm section?), some faster (lead/melody?). Regardless of the sundry paradiddles and ornamentations between moves.

I am no Mozart (lol full disclosure *gasp*!). But, to address the op, I also have ALWAYS had that thought about it, and also was considered a madman.

I'll make my exit and let those who are actually educated resume the conversation.

[jancivil]

Nor does all that fallacy change the fact of shitty music or garbage tunes for any time.

I firmly believe there is no such thing as "shitting music" or "garbage tunes". There are just people that do listen openly to music and the ones that don't.

Yeah, another fallacy: open-minded. <Like a sieve> is what you're insisting on.

Me knowing what the thing is, and what they're doing or not doing is not 'not listening openly'. It's having some damned ability to make discernment, while the people who put this shit on their car stereo or boom box just fail to. Infantile and fake music, made by cynical people who don't care a thing about music.

If you applied this to other subjects, you would have to consider anything said has to be taken as the same quality as anything else said: IE., you simply will have to put gibberish on equal footing as an eloquently articulated, deeply thought-through dissertation. You can't have it both ways. That statement is seriously stupid.

[jancivil]

if you are navigating a scale, you are in effect creating arpeggios

No, because there is an actual definition of the word: an arpeggio is <a broken chord>. A *chord* broken up to be sounding its parts one at a time.

You'd have to stretch the definition of *chord* out of all usefulness to make 'scale' and 'chord' into this single term.

You MIGHT have a seven note object in the vertical, but it could be simply a pandiatonic blur, and all other samplings of this fabric indistinct from one another. It MIGHT be a chord, but we have to have more than that; and you aren't even here yet with that notion.

[jancivil]

Digging up music books or old records and telling young people "what you are doing is incorrect. this is the correct way to make music" is kind of like telling people . "make music for me and my generation and not music for you and your generation".

just my own personal opinion.

Your own strawman argument, yet again. It's total nonsense, what I'm saying is what I'm saying, it resembles this crap not even remotely. It has nothing to do with 'young people' even to begin with.

The thing that's irritating me here is you have no real interest in trying to understand what a person is saying, it's like you have this crap on cue requiring no thought at all on your part. It's rather like gibberish, frankly.

You would have to have seen me talk about correctness in_some_way to have this to talk about, but no. Bull_shit.
You're just making shit up.

This is shitty argumentation; there is such a thing, just like there is shit in anything. I don't say this from 'a closed mind' any more than my having the actual power to make discernments on content elsewhere in this world means a failure of an open mind. I am just not open to utter garbage.

This kind of thing looks like an excuse to suck to me.