What does Studio One 4 do that Reason 10 can't or vice versa?

[xbitz]

btw. if u use ghosted clips on scratchpad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJBT0lrb-1Y
the result will be very similar as the blocks in Reason ... and trying out different independent variations is quite easily if u unlink one of them so from this point of view it's even better than blocks

it's clip based so Track Based automations are not but Part Based ones ofc. are also ghosted

[Trancit]

btw. if u use ghosted clips on scratchpad...

I appreciate all your efforts for making this little vids...

...but (speaking for me here) honestely I never/hardly got what you meant from any of them...
I don´t know, if this only me, but because you are always concentrating on the weird stuff ...without explanation, without any hints what you are doing there and why, is like looking at a rocket scientist doing some math calculations...

[reggie1979]

I am embarrassed. Studio one is shite and reason is a far better product. Forgive me for being so naive............

[Anosou]

Regarding Reason vs. Studio One in general, I'd say it's different design philosophies really. Studio One and Reason are both great programs with different strengths.

Speaking as product manager of Reason, I want Reason to include tons of really high-quality instruments and effects (that also don't require tons from your CPU) because a lot of creativity comes from having access to that. We also want the focus to be on the act of making music, actually getting an idea and moving from idea to song. We design the program based on that. Then there can be additional depth once the music gets going. The front and back of the rack is a good example of this design, quick to add an instrument and record but a lot of possibilities with CV and audio cables once you flip the rack.

Hope that helped!

Like audio editing better, and Studio One has audio quantize. Reason simply doesn't have this. Stretch yes, audio quantize (through bend) no. And iirc, you can't simply quantize/groove a whole project in reason. Sorry if I'm wrong about that but with Studio One you can simply select all, quantize all and even transpose all. It's easy to do and speaking of quantize/groove, it's doable but more cumbersome in Reason.

Not sure what you mean here. Reason does have both stretch and audio quantize (and pitch edit for vocals!). You can also select all clips and quantize/transpose in Reason. Just ctrl/cmd+A and choose transpose or quantize in the tool window.

Here's a video I did quite a while back (it was introduced in Reason 7) about audio quantizing that shows that, and more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkdeAl0-H8

/Mattias (Propellerhead)

[koalaboy]

Studio One has a scaleable interface that is usable in 4K/HiDPI

[reggie1979]

One thing I realized last night was that I don't actually make music in Studio One. I fart around with it trying to figure out all the little details. So it's back to Reason where I have some lovely tunes.

@audio quantize, maybe I should have been more specific. It's nowhere near as flexible as audio bend imo.

[antic604]

the result will be very similar as the blocks in Reason ... and trying out different independent variations is quite easily if u unlink one of them so from this point of view it's even better than blocks

Actually you can also "unlink" part of a block in Reason too - just cut it out with a knofe tool, temporarily mute everything else and select "convert block clip to song clip" - you'll have a "real" clip playing on top (instead of) the block clips and you can edit it to create variation. Or you can simply draw a new clip on top of block clips.

Check last paragraph here:
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/block

[antic604]

Regarding the topic, I think Reason somehow merges few things that are great about Bitwig & Studio One; two other DAWs I use.

From Bitwig, it "takes" ("" because Reason's much, much older) uncompromising modularity, i.e. ability to split & connect signals, modulate almost everything, create self-playing generative music, etc. From Studio One, it "takes" (same qualifier applies) linear arranger with great (for me, at least) audio editing features and incredible mixer. Reason adds some awesome native instruments, FX and tools that none of the others have. I adore the RE environment and 1-click install/update and the fact that - as someone said already - it is very consistent, true to its original design ethos. More of my thoughts about it you can find here and I'd never write such a "love letter" about Studio One, simply because it's a great, very competent tool but it's "cold" in comparison.

But in the end choosing a DAW is very individual, subjective thing. One thing is certain - by now almost any DAW is good enough to produce professional results.

[xbitz]

the result will be very similar as the blocks in Reason ... and trying out different independent variations is quite easily if u unlink one of them so from this point of view it's even better than blocks

Actually you can also "unlink" part of a block in Reason too - just cut it out with a knofe tool, temporarily mute everything else and select "convert block clip to song clip" - you'll have a "real" clip playing on top (instead of) the block clips and you can edit it to create variation. Or you can simply draw a new clip on top of block clips.

Check last paragraph here:
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/block

yepp and even offset can be added to the block contents which enables pattern like workflow ... but https://forum.reasontalk.com/memberlist ... le&u=10414 we've talked about it already

[chk071]

Though "VST" is a huge add-on for Reason, it hasn't quite updated workflow stuff.

Adding VST support is the most idiotic thing they've ever done IMO. Intonation on "IMO", i know a few people like it. I think they dug their own grave with it, because they will always be compared with hosts which are light years ahead in terms of sequencer features, see this thread. They also robbed Reason off the one thing that made it unique, to be a self contained system with all on board that is needed to make music (and, especially, many sample and loop tools for the respective genres).

[xbitz]

Regarding the topic, I think Reason somehow merges few things that are great about Bitwig & Studio One; two other DAWs I use.

From Bitwig, it "takes" ("" because Reason's much, much older) uncompromising modularity, i.e. ability to split & connect signals, modulate almost everything, create self-playing generative music, etc. From Studio One, it "takes" (same qualifier applies) linear arranger with great (for me, at least) audio editing features and incredible mixer. Reason adds some awesome native instruments, FX and tools that none of the others have. I adore the RE environment and 1-click install/update and the fact that - as someone said already - it is very consistent, true to its original design ethos. More of my thoughts about it you can find here and I'd never write such a "love letter" about Studio One, simply because it's a great, very competent tool but it's "cold" in comparison.

But in the end choosing a DAW is very individual, subjective thing. One thing is certain - by now almost any DAW is good enough to produce professional results.

depend on the genre, for trance I would bought S1 + Serum on splice
https://splice.com/daws/38650984-studio ... y-presonus
https://splice.com/plugins/15493-serum- ... er-records

both ones can be bought rent-to-own based which means 25$ per month and preset/sample packs (plus Hive which is my current favorite goto synth ), with S1 + Serum-FX (which goes with Serum freely) these "ability to split & connect signals, modulate almost everything," things can be solved at basic level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LiKCAzl7c

there are tons of modulation VST FX like
https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... byome.html
http://www.mutools.com/mux-product.html
Zebrify etc. but Serum-FX is free one (if u have Serum) and it has the best modulation framework same as Bitwig has (or bit better because of its dedicated modulation page where all the previously set modulations can be tweaked together)

"From Studio One, it "takes" (same qualifier applies) linear arranger "
not fully linear it has scratchpad and arranger clips, layers

ps. quite interesting Reason and S1 has the same big problem the CPU efficiently >> https://answers.presonus.com/questions/ ... sort=votes check the first one this is where Reaper goes into the picture

[reggie1979]

Though "VST" is a huge add-on for Reason, it hasn't quite updated workflow stuff.

Adding VST support is the most idiotic thing they've ever done IMO. Intonation on "IMO", i know a few people like it. I think they dug their own grave with it, because they will always be compared with hosts which are light years ahead in terms of sequencer features, see this thread. They also robbed Reason off the one thing that made it unique, to be a self contained system with all on board that is needed to make music (and, especially, many sample and loop tools for the respective genres).

I was against it at first but it's grown on me. Integration is fine and now I'm not stuck with sub-par RE's for things like guitar.

[xbitz]

"From Bitwig, it "takes" ("" because Reason's much, much older) uncompromising modularity, i.e. ability to split & connect signals, modulate almost everything, create self-playing generative music, etc. From Studio One, it "takes" (same qualifier applies) linear arranger with great (for me, at least) audio editing features and incredible mixer."

just a quick remark, something similar can be achieved with MUX but if u need more complex modulation things like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TfSCie1WSM
then I would choose Reason/Bitwig/AL ...

[reggie1979]

Modulate modulated modulations? BRILLIANT!

[jancivil]

The tempo stuff the person above is on about for one thing refers to being able to warp the timeline with no movement of parts or events (clips) at all. (IE: in order for the timeline to follow what you recorded, wrote, or imported)
This is new in v. 4. I doubt Reason does that. NB: I doubted REAPER did it either but there is an add-on script for it.