...do we need a resistance or are we doomed?
Lately I have discovered that the prototype of a modern fame seeking produzah is real, not a fiction, not a carricature, and they are here at KVR. The construction kit generation. Once I thought they were the talentless few among which a few got lucky. E.g. here is a Danish dance duo who admits openly that they cannot play a single instrument, has no particular knowledge of music whatsoever, but thought it was so cool to just organize loops on a PC and write some pop tunes above them. They became a succes on the dance floor, so what more to ask for?
Here they happily go for a Depeche Mode loop:
So my question is whether you think modern produzahs will degenerate human gene pool, music and culture or whether it actually are the rest of us who are idiots because we do not just do like them?
Modern Produzahs - degeneration of everything human?
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they'll have no effect on the gene pool either way.
well, obviously, if they breed they will.
but theyre a small segment of the entire population and some of them use a lot of drugs so cant get it up anyway.
tbh, i wouldn't worry about such things
well, obviously, if they breed they will.
but theyre a small segment of the entire population and some of them use a lot of drugs so cant get it up anyway.
tbh, i wouldn't worry about such things
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it's worse even than this, if you live here.
There was some beat a little while ago that was making me so uneasy I want to kill. This 'music', with the beats which are all exactly the same single sample of a 'kick' or a 'snare', probably a drum machine, make for aa dullness and a level of irritation and dis-ease that makes me literally sick.
So there's people who aren't even Producahzes like this other sorry lot, who definitely are not musicians either but they have a cynical asswipe who can provide teh loops or know enough to hit the on button on a machine and probably have a good guess as to teh BPMzes.
There was some beat a little while ago that was making me so uneasy I want to kill. This 'music', with the beats which are all exactly the same single sample of a 'kick' or a 'snare', probably a drum machine, make for aa dullness and a level of irritation and dis-ease that makes me literally sick.
So there's people who aren't even Producahzes like this other sorry lot, who definitely are not musicians either but they have a cynical asswipe who can provide teh loops or know enough to hit the on button on a machine and probably have a good guess as to teh BPMzes.
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i mean, im not saying there wont be bad music out there.
but im not sure its a genetic thing, or just because someone is a shite musician they'll be no good as a parent. i don't think the two necessarily go together.
maybe beethoven was a shite dad? i dunno?
john lennon wasn't great or was great, depending on which kid you listen to.
so i think genetics is safe.
but im not sure its a genetic thing, or just because someone is a shite musician they'll be no good as a parent. i don't think the two necessarily go together.
maybe beethoven was a shite dad? i dunno?
john lennon wasn't great or was great, depending on which kid you listen to.
so i think genetics is safe.
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Any single answer I give will be too reductive... other than to say we are all doomed.IncarnateX wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:11 pm ...do we need a resistance or are we doomed?
Lately I have discovered that the prototype of a modern fame seeking produzah is real, not a fiction, not a carricature, and they are here at KVR. The construction kit generation... ...So my question is whether you think modern produzahs will degenerate human gene pool, music and culture or whether it actually are the rest of us who are idiots because we do not just do like them?
For some I imagine it's a gateway into figuring out how to make those construction kits. For others it's a social game. The latter is more likely to lead to reproduction.
My own experience with music started with a horrible upright piano one of my parents inherited, and a tape recorder (and a short-wave radio), when I was a toddler many decades ago. Produzing is probably a modern version of that.
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Yes they will. That is the disadvantage with life preserving human societies; they obstruct survival of the fittest.
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well, thanks dr mengele but survival of the fittest is about species, not individuals within a species.IncarnateX wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:57 pmYes they will. That is the disadvantage with life preserving human societies; they obstruct survival of the fittest.
lots of animals care for the weaker, in fact most mammals, they'll often risk life and limb to save a youngling, because its about the fittest species surviving.
its ok, lots of people think otherwise.
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What are tou talking about? If the bastards survive and breed they overrun us.
And since “species” are abstract designations of groups of individuals, it makes no sense to say that survival of the fittest is not about individuals. It is exactly what it is. The survival of a gene pool is bound to groups of individuals, the less of individuals who share the gene pool, the less they will breed and spread the genes. Survival of the fittest happens when e.g. a group of individuals has to move from a safe environment to a new one and do not make it. Once black rabbits in northern areas died out during a few generations because they could not hide in the snow like the white rabbits. Survival of the fittest is not like gravity, it is not a law beyond the activity of individuals, on the contrary. You need just one “family” who does not make it during their life time, and you will already have prevented their genes to spread.
And since “species” are abstract designations of groups of individuals, it makes no sense to say that survival of the fittest is not about individuals. It is exactly what it is. The survival of a gene pool is bound to groups of individuals, the less of individuals who share the gene pool, the less they will breed and spread the genes. Survival of the fittest happens when e.g. a group of individuals has to move from a safe environment to a new one and do not make it. Once black rabbits in northern areas died out during a few generations because they could not hide in the snow like the white rabbits. Survival of the fittest is not like gravity, it is not a law beyond the activity of individuals, on the contrary. You need just one “family” who does not make it during their life time, and you will already have prevented their genes to spread.
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Let us illustrate the genetic issue here. Lets say there is something we basically call “musical talent”, some may even say “musical intelligence”, e.g. some sort of genetic disposition that given you are trained during a life time, you will learn faster and generally make more great works for people to enjoy than if you did not have the gene. Now lets say these talents are those who largely would be succesful within music due to competetion to make a living of it. But then, society goes; “Hey, you do not need talent at all, just make a mash up with prefabbed loops in a DAW and show pictures of your ass on YouTube and you are up running in music industry”. So now they get rich and breeds like rabbits, while the talented gets poor and end up on welfare programs, psychofarmaka and KVR, unable to breed or to feed a family. Now what happens to their musical genes? They die. Simply. And those who survive will for the same reason not reproduce the cultural values of the losing generation. Thus, society has turned the principle of survival of the fittest to the benefit of teh produzahs.
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Yes, and if you stay passive about the growth- and dominance of such music, you will eventually be affirmative and support it.yellowmix wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:30 pm People sure are getting triggered over commercial dance music that isn't claiming or trying to be art.
Your call.