Modern Produzahs - degeneration of everything human?

[justin3am]

I think a distinction needs to be made between social media influencers, who use music as a mechanism to gain more influence/notoriety, vs. noobie 'producers' who are really trying to develop skills (but are learning from the influencers and as a result aren't getting anywhere).

The biggest difference, as far as I can tell, is that a noobie 'producer' will get embarrassed and then try harder if someone they admire criticizes their work. They really want to do better.
The influencers do not care about the music itself. They just want the attention, follows, likes, retweets, etc. They are above criticism, as any interaction you have with them furthers their goal.

By linking to that sort of thing, you are just helping them monetize their output and gain viewership.

[Greenstorm33]

[yellowmix]

Yes, and if you stay passive about the growth- and dominance of such music, you will eventually be affirmative and support it.
Your call.

Dominance in what and what does it matter? While you're at it, go scream at Depeche Mode, who obviously allowed the sample clearance in the first place.

[IncarnateX]

Dominance in what and what does it matter?

It matters to music industry, production, knowledge, history, artistery, performance, culture and eventually our musical genes. You are blind as a bat, my friend. I feel sorry for you. In two generations your own kids will think of Rihanna as classical music and everything before her, barbarian noise.

While you're at it, go scream at Depeche Mode, who obviously allowed the sample clearance in the first place.

Yes, the produzahs use bribery too and some souls are week. That is very sad indeed.

[jancivil]

"FOAD" is a reference to the concern regarding the tainting of genetics, btw

[jancivil]

We're already in quite a state when people with no musical ability can front and by this word 'producer' - and 'produce' in lieu of 'compose' - expect to be considered worthy of people's time. I have nothing against being a noob, and I don't know anybody who does really, but there's a whole thing here, it doesn't vanish by saying it's something else.

[jancivil]

"loop producers are sample pack DJs" - isn't that a tautology?

[yellowmix]

It matters to music industry, production, knowledge, history, artistery, performance, culture and eventually our musical genes. You are blind as a bat, my friend. I feel sorry for you. In two generations your own kids will think of Rihanna as classical music and everything before her, barbarian noise.

Cast your eyes to the past, where every generation decries the one that follows it.

But yes, there can be erasure of "musical genes", where Elvis, Led Zeppelin, and many other profit from and are lauded for other's people work who are largely forgotten by society and died in poverty. Talk about that problem and maybe I'll take you more seriously.

Do you regularly listen to the Billboard charts of yesteryears? There is a lot of garbage but it never aspired to be anything but a money-making medium; the Grammys are a capitalist circlejerk. People associate commercial songs with life events. Why do we care if people who otherwise are not invested in the arts indulge in nostalgia? Does it prevent anyone else who does care from creating and enjoying more "valuable" work outside of that system?

[IncarnateX]

But yes, there can be erasure of "musical genes", where Elvis, Led Zeppelin, and many other profit from and are lauded for other's people work who are largely forgotten by society and died in poverty. Talk about that problem and maybe I'll take you more seriously.

Thought that was exactly what I was talking about? Sure you did not miss something, pal?

[IncarnateX]

"loop producers are sample pack DJs" - isn't that a tautology?

In that case a false one too. Loop producers may just be profit oriented tools for the samplepack DJs, which would be a promotion to the former. The latter master the fine art of organising loops and then perform them as if they were their own work. Neither producing the loops nor organising them apply much to composing though, since the former only have to make snippets, not finished works, and the latter just have to organise the snippets which never came from thier own musical abilities. Music becomes a fragmentet machinery, a collage, which a best works by coincidence and no musical idea, insight or spirit in the first place.

[yellowmix]

Thought that was exactly what I was talking about? Sure you did not miss something, pal?

Nope, you posted a pop dance act sampling an older pop dance act that is still quite popular today and making money hand over fist. Depeche Mode's place in history is well secured. Or are they pop crap too?

Again, what's that got to do with the good, niche "classical" music that is still plugging along happily? Do they want the big bucks? I sure as hell don't want commercialized "classical", we already have that radio station where I live.

[IncarnateX]

Sweetie. You have had your 15 minutes of fame and the above shows that you have no clue. I am not talking about the dance act posted in particular but the whole proces of degeneration including whatever Elvis has profited from at other’s cost, this dance act and millions to come. The age of sample kits produzahs has come, and no, I do not think the finer arts of music should be accepted as a happy little “niche” in favor of the this modern crap. Well, since it seems that this thread and what I say are completely over your head, I thank you for the attention, but will leave further treatment of your musical and cultural illiteracy to Jan, she has such great pedagogical skills in that respect. Enjoy.

[yellowmix]

You want to remake the music industry such that it produces and promotes "classical" music. Do you understand what that would actually result in? I can tell you you would not like it. Every art capitalism touches becomes compromised.

Or maybe that's over your head.

[IncarnateX]

Do you understand what that would actually result in? I can tell you you would not like it.

You cannot tell anyone anything useful for that will require arguments and you have none but a “I tell you”-prefix and this:

Every art capitalism touches becomes compromised.

You want to save art by ensuring that it stays marginal and let capitalism support mainstream crap instead? That sounds like a great plan: Just don't support the survival of art economically and there will be no problem. Brilliant, but you are right, once art has died out, art is a problem no more.

Give it up, Construction Kit hero. You do not have what it takes to understand and discuss the topic, so go home make those mash ups and wait for fame.

[Dillinger]

Teach your children well. It wound live if it won’t sell.