How To Stop The Beat From Distorting The Vocals
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- KVRer
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- 3 posts since 24 Mar, 2019
Hello I've Been Recording Vocals/Songs For Years And When I Use Certain Beats With A Lot Of Bass It Causes My Vocals To Sound Like They're Crumbled In The Beat And It Does This With Every Software I Tried You Can Name It I've Had It, When I Turn The Volume Down It Takes Away All Of The Bass And It Sounds Too Low And When I Use A Limiter It Takes A Away The Distortion But It Takes A Way The Dynamics Of The Song And The Kick Doesn't Sound Punchy Until The End Of The Vocal Recording. Is There Anyway I Can Prevent The Bass Of The Beat From Distorting My Vocals Without Having To Turn Down The Volume Of The Song Down Or Without It Taking The Life Out Of My Mix? Is There A Plugin I Need?, Is There A Setting That Can Change This? Is There A Mixing Technique That Can Solve This? And If You Have The Solution Please Don't Make It Sound Too Advanced, Try To Keep It As Straight Forward As Possible Thank You.
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- KVRAF
- 1593 posts since 21 Apr, 2017 from Bahia, Brazil
Try using multiple parallel compression busses dont use the limiter on the master for level boosting. Use it only to catch the few peaks that go over. It takes alot of experimenting with the Parallel busses but it works. Andrew Shepps uses this technique and there are alot of videos on it. Dont compress the tracks only the busses. This keeps the transients and raises the lower level content.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105872 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRer
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- 3 posts since 24 Mar, 2019
Do You Have Any Names For Any Parallel Compressors? And Do You Have Link To A Specific Video Where He Talks About This?Scrubbing Monkeys wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:51 pm Try using multiple parallel compression busses dont use the limiter on the master for level boosting. Use it only to catch the few peaks that go over. It takes alot of experimenting with the Parallel busses but it works. Andrew Shepps uses this technique and there are alot of videos on it. Dont compress the tracks only the busses. This keeps the transients and raises the lower level content.
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- KVRAF
- 1593 posts since 21 Apr, 2017 from Bahia, Brazil
The process is the same as you would use a reverb buss. You send the tracks you want to have reverb to the reverb track. the reverb is full wet no dry. Then you use the fader of the reverb track to raise and lower the verb to taste.
The compressors could be anything you like.. Because the compressor track is in parrallel you can get quite aggressive with it without loosing your punch.
Google parrallel compression techniques if you are unfamiliar.
Andrew Sheps just takes it to a different level where he uses combinations of different things to create movement.
Start with makng an Aux track for Drums (no cymbals), bass, keys, guitars, Vocals. puting your favorite comp on those tracks and really squashing things and raise the volume of those tracks to sit underneath the peaks of the original tracks thus fatnening your sound without killing the attack.
The compressors could be anything you like.. Because the compressor track is in parrallel you can get quite aggressive with it without loosing your punch.
Google parrallel compression techniques if you are unfamiliar.
Andrew Sheps just takes it to a different level where he uses combinations of different things to create movement.
Start with makng an Aux track for Drums (no cymbals), bass, keys, guitars, Vocals. puting your favorite comp on those tracks and really squashing things and raise the volume of those tracks to sit underneath the peaks of the original tracks thus fatnening your sound without killing the attack.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 3 posts since 24 Mar, 2019
Alright But What If Im Using An Instrumental From Another Producer?Scrubbing Monkeys wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:28 pm The process is the same as you would use a reverb buss. You send the tracks you want to have reverb to the reverb track. the reverb is full wet no dry. Then you use the fader of the reverb track to raise and lower the verb to taste.
The compressors could be anything you like.. Because the compressor track is in parrallel you can get quite aggressive with it without loosing your punch.
Google parrallel compression techniques if you are unfamiliar.
Andrew Sheps just takes it to a different level where he uses combinations of different things to create movement.
Start with makng an Aux track for Drums (no cymbals), bass, keys, guitars, Vocals. puting your favorite comp on those tracks and really squashing things and raise the volume of those tracks to sit underneath the peaks of the original tracks thus fatnening your sound without killing the attack.
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- KVRAF
- 1593 posts since 21 Apr, 2017 from Bahia, Brazil
Kinda the same idea but it this case since you uave a composite track. I would use something like TDR kontelnikov compressor on the music. FREE
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It has a fast and slow release. its like a 2 in one.
on the vocals I would use the parallel technique we discussed earlier.
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If your backing track has been mastered there s not alot you can do but if it still has some sharp transients you could do Parallel comp on that also
The real take away here is dont try to boost you overall loudness with one limiter on the master. A little along the way on tracks or busses yeilds better results
www.tokyodawn.net
It has a fast and slow release. its like a 2 in one.
on the vocals I would use the parallel technique we discussed earlier.
Maybe try...
Klanghelm mjuc jr. FREE
https://klanghelm.com/contents/main.php
If your backing track has been mastered there s not alot you can do but if it still has some sharp transients you could do Parallel comp on that also
The real take away here is dont try to boost you overall loudness with one limiter on the master. A little along the way on tracks or busses yeilds better results
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- KVRAF
- 4065 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
I would recommend trackspacer for a quick fix for part of this issue. Also making sure there is no unnecessary bass in the vocal track. If you don’t have access to the tracks of the instrumental then you will be making compromises either way. Look at some bass enhancers like MBassador or waves rbass that will let the bass seem more present while actually being less loud. You can also do some pretty slick stuff with a multiband transient processor.
The main thing is to make room for the vocal over the beat. This can be done in any number of ways. Unfortunately you can’t just have everything be as loud as can be without causing technical problems.
It sounds like you have all your stuff pushed up against a limiter or a clipper and the bass is causing intermodulation distortion in your vocal. You should turn down the software and turn up your speakers so you can get the mix where you want it without having it near 0DBfs.
The main thing is to make room for the vocal over the beat. This can be done in any number of ways. Unfortunately you can’t just have everything be as loud as can be without causing technical problems.
It sounds like you have all your stuff pushed up against a limiter or a clipper and the bass is causing intermodulation distortion in your vocal. You should turn down the software and turn up your speakers so you can get the mix where you want it without having it near 0DBfs.
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- KVRAF
- 1742 posts since 9 Jul, 2014 from UK
sounds like the OP is singing to someone else backing track? Just turn it down. Suggesting para compression is clearly way over the top. IMHO.
I wonder what happens if I press this button...
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- 1593 posts since 21 Apr, 2017 from Bahia, Brazil
Funny....your probably right.......story of my life.ramseysounds wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:31 pm sounds like the OP is singing to someone else backing track? Just turn it down. Suggesting para compression is clearly way over the top. IMHO.
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