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reggie1979 · Post by **reggie1979** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:42 pm

I think there must be a rule somewhere in the internet that says you must have canned answers that do not apply in all situations and everyone is supposed to have the same experience ... "AKA it's a vacuum and all things are always equal"

Winstontaneous · Post by **Winstontaneous** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:30 pm

Of the DAWs I use regularly (Live, Reason, REAPER, Audiomulch, Logic) Logic Pro X gets the most curses, "WTF?!"'s and shaken fists. If not for Drummer and Alchemy I would kick it to the curb.

- It's by far the least stable plugin host I use - ironic, since Apple invented the Audio Unit!
- There are perplexities to its PDC, automation, and Solo behaviors that no amount of Googling/visiting LogicProHelp.com can fix
- I have a hard time imagining there's anyone over the age of 35 on their UI/UX team...What's up with small, narrow sans-serif fonts in interfaces with a bunch of wasted empty space? I can't read the text on re-designed Vintage EQs, Phat FX, etc. without zooming to 125% or 150%.
- Worst plugin window handling of any DAW I've used, and Screensets are fairly useless as they don't remember plugin window open/closed state. Multiple Logic windows have to be manually opened on each project if using multi-monitors (maybe there's a setting for this?)
- Is it possible to create get new mixer channels to with the same Busses without manually adding to each or copying another channel?
- Overall, especially with mix of ancient internal plugins with re-designed, feels like a program by multiple developers where features just get tacked on over the years.

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:49 pm

I primiarily use Logic. What a POS software. Bloatware. Core audio also sucks. It's not at a professional level. Considering all the BS I have to deal with Logic Pro, I'd have to charge 50% more if I were to use it professionally to mitigate all the time spent troubleshooting and trying work around its BS.

I've been using Logic since it was CLAB Notator. Unfortunately. It used to be good but since Apple lost their brains and concern about anything but their bottom line, Logic has been abysmal.

Howevere, there are no better solutions. So instead of migrating to another DAW only to have the same headaches, screw it. I will just push through and continue to not work professionally with this POS software.

reggie1979 · Post by **reggie1979** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:54 pm

plexuss wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:49 pm I primiarily use Logic. What a POS software. Bloatware. Core audio also sucks. It's not at a professional level. Considering all the BS I have to deal with Logic Pro, I'd have to charge 50% more if I were to use it professionally to mitigate all the time spent troubleshooting and trying work around its BS.

I've been using Logic since it was CLAB Notator. Unfortunately. It used to be good but since Apple lost their brains and concern about anything but their bottom line, Logic has been abysmal.

Howevere, there are no better solutions. So instead of migrating to another DAW only to have the same headaches, screw it. I will just push through and continue to not work professionally with this POS software.

Maybe I'm just daft, but I think you might want to (if you haven't already) give Studio One a serious wiggle. Now I'm on doze so that might be different but it's "just right ware" vs having too much.

I use Reason as my number one though, but it may not be feature-rich enough, but hella stable and easy to use.

AsPeeXXXVIII · Post by **AsPeeXXXVIII** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:55 pm

Nuendo.

That DAW is just riddled with questionable design choices out the wazoo.

ls1xxx · Post by **ls1xxx** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:20 am

Looks like a tie between Mulab and Renoise voted best Daw???

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:26 am

I don't hate any DAW (that's silly), but I tried both FL and Reaper several times and I just couldn't get along with them - so voted there. Also Garage Band, because it's Apple

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:39 am

ls1xxx wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:20 am Looks like a tie between Mulab and Renoise voted best Daw???

nobody voted for the best host

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:15 am

Logic because
Works if OSX > El capitan,
Need an overpriced mac to run, on the contrary, Reaper can run on an 200 $ atom processor netbook
Poor and shame automation

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:21 am

harryupbabble wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:14 pm REAPER is/was consistently winning this other poll for a long time.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=520515&start=150

Are the people whose DAWs were beaten by REAPER in that other poll the ones hating REAPER now in this poll?
That's a lot of other DAWs that didn't win that other poll? That's a lot of possible "total" haters?

Like with politicians, polls are always fiddlings.

shidostrife · Post by **shidostrife** » Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:11 pm

Reaper

I hate how it's a very powerful program but also very difficult to use (for me).

Just open one of the top menu and see how many options are there. Right click somewhere and find even more. Dialogue box? Whoa, dropdowns, checkboxes, matrixes. Is it an audio or midi track? Oh wait, it's both.

The way it works is just not for me.

melomood · Post by **melomood** » Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:14 pm

I hate my DAW...I love my DAW....it stares at me
blank
mocking me

"Come on bitch" it says."You bought me.You wanted to make muuuuuuusic"

Then the bitch teases me with an eight bar loop....

reggie1979 · Post by **reggie1979** » Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:54 pm

btw, isn't there a "record arm/monitor" in the preferences? Surely you don't have to do that for every track.

Spencer Maddox · Post by **Spencer Maddox** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:02 am

shidostrife wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:11 pm Reaper

I hate how it's a very powerful program but also very difficult to use (for me).

Just open one of the top menu and see how many options are there. Right click somewhere and find even more. Dialogue box? Whoa, dropdowns, checkboxes, matrixes. Is it an audio or midi track? Oh wait, it's both.

The way it works is just not for me.

Not a huge Reaper user but I remember this thing being pretty nice: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=58672
might be worth checking. Its called "ReaMenu" It makes a Obnoxious Cluster into a slightly less obnoxious cluster

goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:42 am

I don't hate *any* DAW - quite the opposite: I appreciate the fact that very complex PC coding is part of every DAW that I'm aware of - I personally consider them all works of technical art in their own way. It seems to me that questions like this are analogous to asking which flavors of ice cream I like or don't like - answered with personal preferences based on a number of 'me' factors. Here's a counter question (which perhaps is more rhetorical then real) - if you were forced to work with a DAW that was part of your least favorites list - would you simply just learn that DAW, and at some point be able to make music with it that you were happy with?

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