What is Reason? New promo video from Propellerhead

[rlared]

I actually think the RE format is awesome. If they can offer compelling RE's at a better price than equivalent VST's then it's a winner for everyone.

[rlared]

Reason might be a bit limited in certain areas compared to other DAWs but it's the most fun and inspiring platform I've ever used. I have a theory about it... I have ADHD and I have absolutely hated the workfkow of every other DAW. There are too many abstractions in them, like routing, in which you assign inputs and outputs through drop down menus but you don't actually SEE them. All of those abstractions start to pile up on your working memory (kind of like the RAM of your brain) and cause a cognitive overload on the brain of someone like me, even when you are not thinking about those abstractions. They are still "loaded" in the background of your thought process. Reason is the only DAW where I feel my mind is completely free of that extra cognitive load. In fact when I was working in it (before my dumb ass decided to sell it) I was really surprised at how little I was looking at the screen, I was simply FOCUSED on playing the music in my keyboard. I made more music in a week than in years.

Edit: If anyone wants to trade R10 for an Arturia Pigments license plus some cash, hit me up.

That's a cool way of looking at it. I agree.

[neverenoughfunk]

just curious... could the individuals that are not so fond of Reason PLEASE post some of their music... therefore, WE can get a better understanding of your views...

thanks in advance...

+1

I've actually thought a lot about this sort of thing before -- how my reaction to any given random forum dude -- especially one who makes grandiose assertions about things X, Y and Z -- can be helpfully put into crystal-clear perspective if I find a link to their music in their signature, or elsewhere. There's just something about reading a dude's blathering rants about how sure he is that thing X is vastly inferior to thing Y, and then hearing his music made with thing Y, and realizing it absolutely blows. The need to engage, to argue, to quote and attack, etc, is suddenly mitigated greatly, and if anything, I just feel pity.

If, on the other hand, dude's music is Really Damn Good --well then, maybe he's on to something about the qualities of Thing Y after all

In short, I'd much rather judge the veracity of someone's forum arguments based on the quality of their actual music than, well, anything else. The circles of aggro shouting that are so common here would be much better resolved in a battle of Tunes, after all, that's what we're all here for, right? To make music!

if this individual had something negative to say about a DAW... i would listen... is his music my type of music... NO!!! but it sounds like he know his way around a DAW... that is the key...

the ACTUAL music does not lie...

[SoundPorn]

I had a Reason 10 Lite redeem code in my Akai account from when I bought the MPK Mini and didn't download it initially because I was already demoing another DAW, then for some "reason" I get bit by a Reason bug and wanted to try it out, so I go to my Akai account to get the code and, it's no longer in there. I'm not happy about that at all.

[machinesworking]

I still have a copy of Reason 2.5 in my Props account. I'm waiting on GUI resizing.
There's a part of me that wishes I had just stuck to Reason, but honestly 2.5 was very limited compared to the land of VSTs. Now, you get pretty much everything in Reason.

Question, does Reason read and send to hardware synths SysEx messages?

[reggie1979]

I had a Reason 10 Lite redeem code in my Akai account from when I bought the MPK Mini and didn't download it initially because I was already demoing another DAW, then for some "reason" I get bit by a Reason bug and wanted to try it out, so I go to my Akai account to get the code and, it's no longer in there. I'm not happy about that at all.

I have a feeling that they will accommodate you if you put in a support ticket. Could be wrong but usually they sort that kinda thing out.

[THE INTRANCER]

I've been a Reason user since 2001, but I can say that since I switched that there has been huge difference in the workflow speed, technical level and complexity of the music which I've been able to produce. It would be a massive headache trying to achieve what I did from one DAW to the other.

I'll post two tracks, the first which I created with Studio One 3.5 in of Autumn 2017, and the second with Reason 7.01 in summer of 2014 which was really the last full track I made with Reason. The most complex track I ever made was with an earlier version of Reason called... AURORA SYSTEM X26X What's Your Name ? and that's over here https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v4/pla ... D=11207094 (All music on soundclick is created with Reason and it's instruments / FX only...)


Studio One 3.5.
https://soundcloud.com/scott-moncrieff- ... _o_p_h_i_a

Reason 7.01
https://soundcloud.com/scott-moncrieff- ... -heavens-1


The bottom line is that whist Reason was fun and I learned a lot which was useful tool to transition to more complex systems like building ensembles with Reaktor. But I really felt that the whole eco system of Reason was holding me back musically and had to switch to something better. I've not looked back since.

[SoundPorn]

To reason or Akai because I have emailed Akai when I noticed yesterday but nothing back yet, but emailing Reason could be another option.

I had a Reason 10 Lite redeem code in my Akai account from when I bought the MPK Mini and didn't download it initially because I was already demoing another DAW, then for some "reason" I get bit by a Reason bug and wanted to try it out, so I go to my Akai account to get the code and, it's no longer in there. I'm not happy about that at all.

I have a feeling that they will accommodate you if you put in a support ticket. Could be wrong but usually they sort that kinda thing out.

[machinesworking]

The bottom line is that whist Reason was fun and I learned a lot which was useful tool to transition to more complex systems like building ensembles with Reaktor. But I really felt that the whole eco system of Reason was holding me back musically and had to switch to something better. I've not looked back since.

I hear you, I'm a shameless DAW slut, but I think you misinterpret your own experience as having some sort of relevance in terms of the complexity or simplicity of the music you're making. I didn't hear anything in the Studio One song that couldn't be done in Reason, that you felt more comfortable doing more complex arranging isn't any dog on Reason.

I agree that a DAW can seem to push you into doing more complex or simpler things etc. but it's not cut and dried. Using Reason, Logic, Digital Performer, Live, and Reaper over the years in the end the tracks do not sound that much different in my case, you would be hard pressed to tell which came from where.

The Caveat is micro editing does feel more comfortable to do in the "complex" DAWs like Logic, Reaper, DP, Studio One, Cubase etc. but it's not at all impossible to do in Live, Reason etc. The other dead giveaway is using certain built in instruments in Reason for instance or abusing Live's stretch markers. For instance your Reason song has a very simplistic sounding synth tone compared to what sounds like Output Kontakt libraries in the Studio One song; is that a testimony to the DAW you used? IMO not at all.

[reggie1979]

To reason or Akai because I have emailed Akai when I noticed yesterday but nothing back yet, but emailing Reason could be another option.

I had a Reason 10 Lite redeem code in my Akai account from when I bought the MPK Mini and didn't download it initially because I was already demoing another DAW, then for some "reason" I get bit by a Reason bug and wanted to try it out, so I go to my Akai account to get the code and, it's no longer in there. I'm not happy about that at all.

I have a feeling that they will accommodate you if you put in a support ticket. Could be wrong but usually they sort that kinda thing out.

I'd say Akai because that is where it came from, right? I don't think props would know about it.

[reggie1979]

I've been a Reason user since 2001, but I can say that since I switched that there has been huge difference in the workflow speed, technical level and complexity of the music which I've been able to produce. It would be a massive headache trying to achieve what I did from one DAW to the other.

I'll post two tracks, the first which I created with Studio One 3.5 in of Autumn 2017, and the second with Reason 7.01 in summer of 2014 which was really the last full track I made with Reason. The most complex track I ever made was with an earlier version of Reason called... AURORA SYSTEM X26X What's Your Name ? and that's over here https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v4/pla ... D=11207094 (All music on soundclick is created with Reason and it's instruments / FX only...)


Studio One 3.5.
https://soundcloud.com/scott-moncrieff- ... _o_p_h_i_a

Reason 7.01
https://soundcloud.com/scott-moncrieff- ... -heavens-1


The bottom line is that whist Reason was fun and I learned a lot which was useful tool to transition to more complex systems like building ensembles with Reaktor. But I really felt that the whole eco system of Reason was holding me back musically and had to switch to something better. I've not looked back since.

I guess that's fair but I hear cool things in both and wouldn't say that those are anything other than your advancement in the ability to make music you want to. They are pretty far apart and reason 10.2 (.3 being eminent) is a FAR CRY from 7.01

[reggie1979]

Again, I'm puzzled by this thread. How does this video start the debate of which DAW is better? Did they say something that I missed? It's just a promo, kinda bland compared to their approach in the past, but I didn't see/hear any hyperbole that should be anything other than a promo.

BTW, I like the promo song personally.

[telecode]

just curious... could the individuals that are not so fond of Reason PLEASE post some of their music... therefore, WE can get a better understanding of your views...

How is someone's opinion on a DAW reflected in quality of their music?

isn't the DAW the tool to make the music...

plus!!! i have theory about DAWs and music making... regardless of the DAW the music will sound exactly the same... an individual's ability to make music is depended on personal talent... not features or lack of features in a DAW...

That's exactly what I meant - quality of one's music isn't (largely) dependant on their tools. You seem to have been suggesting otherwise, that music made by people who speak against Reason (hence don't use it I'd imagine) would suck...

no one said anyone's music would suck... that is you reading between the lines... the music would indicate an individual's music level... then WE would be able to understand where his/her opinion about a particular DAW comes from...

i.e. if an individual posted some Bach sh!t their opinion about a particular DAW would carry more weight than my opinion... i don't have the talent to make Bach sh!t...

again!!! it is not about who sucks or not... but WHOSE opinions carries the most weight... and the ACTUAL music would answer that...

that simple...

I believe Rundgrens Area record was made with Reason when his Pro Tools setup failed. If you goo Arena and Rundgren you should be able to hear it.

[THE INTRANCER]

I hear you, I'm a shameless DAW slut, but I think you misinterpret your own experience as having some sort of relevance in terms of the complexity or simplicity of the music you're making. I didn't hear anything in the Studio One song that couldn't be done in Reason, that you felt more comfortable doing more complex arranging isn't any dog on Reason.

I agree that a DAW can seem to push you into doing more complex or simpler things etc. but it's not cut and dried. Using Reason, Logic, Digital Performer, Live, and Reaper over the years in the end the tracks do not sound that much different in my case, you would be hard pressed to tell which came from where.

The Caveat is micro editing does feel more comfortable to do in the "complex" DAWs like Logic, Reaper, DP, Studio One, Cubase etc. but it's not at all impossible to do in Live, Reason etc. The other dead giveaway is using certain built in instruments in Reason for instance or abusing Live's stretch markers. For instance your Reason song has a very simplistic sounding synth tone compared to what sounds like Output Kontakt libraries in the Studio One song; is that a testimony to the DAW you used? IMO not at all.

The reality is though, and my point is that Reason is good for simple stuff, it isn't for really complex stuff where you have a couple of hundred tracks to manage, view and edit with ease and simplicity. Reason is a cumbersome slog from CPU to the visual management of things..until very very recently in what is still in a beta version state.... CPU processing was about 4 times more efficient in Studio One..I'd estimate.

I can view and manage 3 or more times as many tracks in say Studio One than Reason on one screen, and it even has the advantages that folder tracks bring. If you want to do advanced mixing and midi editing, then Reason doesn't excel in that area. Sure, you can dig into the rack and create a bunch of sub mixers and such like, but it's a convoluted workflow and becomes a nightmare when you start increasing resolution...and I'll stop there before we get into the weird world of effect sends and returns....lack of VCA faders...

It's a culmination of so many things.... important things that have limited me in what I wanted to achieve... having to employ so many workarounds like using Midi Loopback to re-route audio from Reaktor back into the audio input of Reason, was a weird one 5 years ago.. and it thus the list goes on...

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The main synth line in the above track was actually from my external XW-G1 synthesizer keyboard which I had recently got back in 2014.

I'm not confusing anything, I know what I'm saying.

[D.K Envelope]

The reality is though, and my point is that Reason is good for simple stuff, it isn't for really complex stuff where you have a couple of hundred tracks to manage, view and edit with ease and simplicity.

cant understand this when you know something about cables you can modulate and
route everything its not so easy as Bitwig but it is possible way better then studio one
or logic or Ableton routing

For me thats my Daw 1# i have sale my license for Bitwig because i switched complete
to Reason now i finished so many tracks in other daw i could not finished anything
to many function disctract you