KVR Audio

jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:39 pm

The real crime is what Image Line charges for Groove Machine ($149 and 32-bit only) and Morphine ($159).

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:43 pm

Again, why is it a crime? Are you forced to buy?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:45 pm

chk071 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:43 pm Again, why is it a crime? Are you forced to buy?

I think anybody who charges more than $5 for a synth should be forced to watch Brady Bunch reruns until they beg for mercy.

tony10000 · Post by **tony10000** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:50 pm

vurt wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:38 pm
tony10000 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:32 pm I'm happy to see that KVR is such a kind and nurturing environment.

I have no problem paying for synths. I have spent THOUSANDS of dollars on them.

The point I was trying to make is that, while their synth sounds good, the relative value of that synth is not worth the price in today's market. Hive is the same price, receives regular updates, and has a much nicer GUI. Dune 3 is not much more expensive and is many times more powerful and versatile. Harmor is far more powerful and has been on sale for 1/2 the price or even less.

I think that Sytrus would be a much more popular synth if they would update the GUI and sell it for a lower price -- I think $80-$100 would be a good price point. Just my 2 cents.
maybe as its older, they cba with lots of new support questions.
who knows why some businesses work the way they do, or how indeed some survive
best to not worry about it, buy the synths that seem like good value to you and let the market push devs to change prices.
not like anyone "needs" another synth

True dat!

jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:57 pm

chk071 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:43 pm Again, why is it a crime? Are you forced to buy?

The phrasing I used was a joke. I do not literally think any crime has been committed, although this is clearly some sort of odd sore spot for you.

I do, believe, that if we're talking about potentially overpriced IL synths, then the two I mentioned are much more in that category than Sytrus.

tony10000 · Post by **tony10000** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:58 pm

Ranoka wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:59 am If you're patient, you can get the Image-Line plugins on sale for 50% periodically during the year. Also the plugins tend to be cheaper to buy from places like JRR shop than from the IL store.

I have bought their other plugins on sale. I have never seen Sytrus on sale.

Greenstorm33 · Post by **Greenstorm33** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:59 pm

jsp1979 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:39 pm The real crime is what Image Line charges for Groove Machine ($149 and 32-bit only) and Morphine ($159).

Are they even selling Groove Machine anymore? I don't see it in the store. I agree with Morphine though; no idea why you'd buy that when Harmor is cheaper and way more interesting.

tony10000 · Post by **tony10000** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:01 pm

Elektronisch wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:24 pm
tony10000 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:29 am
Elektronisch wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:23 am
tony10000 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:22 am
AnX wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:17 am did you ask them?

it's very unlikely anyone here can furnish you with the facts of this matter
Ask whom specifically? And what kind of answer do you think I would receive?
What kind of answer you expect from the community? what will it change? will it gonna lower the price of Sytrus? If you would buy FL Studio for 199 you would recieve sytrus for free you know...
I have owned FL Studio since version 1 (FL) and have the the Producer's Edition that included the FL version of Sytrus. The VST version is $149 USD.
I also have it, and had no problems downloading vst version and activating it.

I have downloaded the VST version but it boots up in Trial mode.

Greenstorm33 · Post by **Greenstorm33** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:05 pm

tony10000 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:01 pm
Elektronisch wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:24 pm
tony10000 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:29 am
Elektronisch wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:23 am
tony10000 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:22 am
AnX wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:17 am did you ask them?

it's very unlikely anyone here can furnish you with the facts of this matter
Ask whom specifically? And what kind of answer do you think I would receive?
What kind of answer you expect from the community? what will it change? will it gonna lower the price of Sytrus? If you would buy FL Studio for 199 you would recieve sytrus for free you know...
I have owned FL Studio since version 1 (FL) and have the the Producer's Edition that included the FL version of Sytrus. The VST version is $149 USD.
I also have it, and had no problems downloading vst version and activating it.
I have downloaded the VST version but it boots up in Trial mode.

The VST version came with the old FL Signature bundle (which I got as an upgrade to Producer for half off, a fraction of what Sytrus VST costs alone

), but it doesn't come with Producer (or the new Signature bundle)

jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:05 pm

Greenstorm33 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:59 pm
jsp1979 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:39 pm The real crime is what Image Line charges for Groove Machine ($149 and 32-bit only) and Morphine ($159).
Are they even selling Groove Machine anymore? I don't see it in the store. I agree with Morphine though; no idea why you'd buy that when Harmor is cheaper and way more interesting.

Groove Machine is listed in the shop after I log in, but it's not there when I log out. I don't know why that's the case, but I can still purchase it when I log in.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:07 pm

jsp1979 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:57 pm
chk071 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:43 pm Again, why is it a crime? Are you forced to buy?
The phrasing I used was a joke. I do not literally think any crime has been committed, although this is clearly some sort of odd sore spot for you.

No sore spot, just wondering why people feel so irresponsible and forced to buy these days.

Greenstorm33 · Post by **Greenstorm33** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:07 pm

jsp1979 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:05 pm
Greenstorm33 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:59 pm
jsp1979 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:39 pm The real crime is what Image Line charges for Groove Machine ($149 and 32-bit only) and Morphine ($159).
Are they even selling Groove Machine anymore? I don't see it in the store. I agree with Morphine though; no idea why you'd buy that when Harmor is cheaper and way more interesting.
Groove Machine is listed in the shop after I log in, but it's not there when I log out. I don't know why that's the case, but I can still purchase it when I log in.

Huh, weird. I'm not logged in so I guess that's why I can't see it.

tony10000 · Post by **tony10000** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:12 pm

The plugins are the most neglected aspect of Image-Line. It could be because Gol is semi-retired and and Maxx doesn't seem to be involved in plug ins anymore. I bought the VST version of Sawer a few years ago and the mod matrix is broken. I reported it back then and it still hasn't been fixed. Really a shame.

tony10000 · Post by **tony10000** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:14 pm

jsp1979 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:05 pm
Greenstorm33 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:59 pm
jsp1979 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:39 pm The real crime is what Image Line charges for Groove Machine ($149 and 32-bit only) and Morphine ($159).
Are they even selling Groove Machine anymore? I don't see it in the store. I agree with Morphine though; no idea why you'd buy that when Harmor is cheaper and way more interesting.
Groove Machine is listed in the shop after I log in, but it's not there when I log out. I don't know why that's the case, but I can still purchase it when I log in.

It is still on Plug In Boutique but it has never been updated to 64-bit. "32bit VST host program only."

Spencer Maddox · Post by **Spencer Maddox** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:21 pm

jsp1979 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:39 pm The real crime is what Image Line charges for Groove Machine ($149 and 32-bit only) and Morphine ($159).

Never understood the Price of Morphine...
Always seemed odd to be THAT expensive.
Especially when I really don't see it used hardly ever.

Sytrus is a Great Synth, but...