What DAW Do You Hate?

[rewrite history]

you seem fixated on gender reassignment not me
i just remember the death of captain marvel being a great story, very moving.

Just trying to show you a modern day example of how things change from their original definitions.

i know things change
but, surely you will agree, not all electronic music is made for dancing?
so, is the d superfluous? or does the d now stand for something different? or does dance mean something new to the kids on the street?

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Yes, for the record I also believe that EDM should mean Electronic Dance Music. But, I also realize that to the common consumer and those that don't produce music, EDM is now a broad umbrella of a genre.

[thecontrolcentre]

so what does the d even mean any more?

Captain Marvel used to be a dude, what happened?

I used to collect Captain Marvel comics during the 70s ... but it became impossible to find around issue 16. My little brother swapped my collection for some Toppers after I left home (he didn't ask me). I was really pissed off at the time. They'd be worth a few bob now. I had no idea he died and was re-invented as a woman until the movie came out.

[vurt]

i just nipped to wiki to pull up the death of captain marvel story

the had odd sporadic necromancy type shenanigans in the years i was married and therefore not allowed to spend money on such things...
i did not know this!
will have to seek out collections/tpbs rather than individual issues

[vurt]

so what does the d even mean any more?

Captain Marvel used to be a dude, what happened?

I used to collect Captain Marvel comics during the 70s ... but it became impossible to find around issue 16. My little brother swapped my collection for some Toppers after I left home (he didn't ask me). I was really pissed off at the time. They'd be worth a few bob now. I had no idea he died and was re-invented as a woman until the movie came out.

seriously, the death of... is worth picking up a collected works.
i think it was steve ditko while writing it he was realing with losing his father. and it comes across, for a comic book its truly heart pulling.

[machinesworking]

You can try and force people to uphold what something originally stood for, but it's a losing cause. Time changes everything, and so has this once simple genre. Just as someone mention the word "producer" is now synonymous with producing music and not the original role of yesteryear. Some people let little things like that bother them, I could careless what people categorize things as. The finished song will always speak for itself.

I mentioned the word producer because it has double meanings now, but you're not even making a decent generalization of the word. Not a soul thinks that Paul Mccartney is a "producer" or the guys in Devo, but most everyone will call Junkie XL one. It's still specifically attached to the finishing process in music.

Your point, is truly off base, and it's a piss poor debate tactic to try to reuse someone's point to assert yours, it looks desperate.

To the point, people messed up punks and metalheads for years, it never made it right, and it didn't change the language to where both musics are considered punk.. it's just a nonsense argument that stupid people call a jazz musician using a DAW an EDM producer, I find it a strange hole you've dug for yourself here.

Now you're talking about the creative process, much different then actually composing a song with structure and arrangement. The long process and development of song craft is the furthest thing from noodling around as you can go.

No, it's not, you're really fond of absolute statements, good luck with that. It's patently absurd actually the amount of moving the goalpost you seem to do to avoid being wrong here. Everyone improvises, noodles around, it's part of the creative process, period.

Most professional songwriters work off notes, journals, phones and other means of jotting down ideas that will later be developed during writing sessions. Which usually doesn't include the DAW at this point, that comes later when you're actually tracking and mixing the song.

Depends, it's not an absolute, there aren't many in music. In fact every single film score musician interview I've ever seen has, a computer and a MIDI controller keyboard front and center in their studio with, believe it or not, a DAW open on it. The process of creation is not something that you can quantify with blithe statements.

In the music industry, time is money. That means noodling around is for dinner, because you'll be eating Ramen noodles as a starving artist until you "make it".

Hyperbole, it's what's for dinner.
Like I said, I interact with a lot of "pro" musicians, and the process is no different than for non pros, it's drive that leads to talent, with a bit of luck that got them there.

[thecontrolcentre]

so what does the d even mean any more?

Captain Marvel used to be a dude, what happened?

I used to collect Captain Marvel comics during the 70s ... but it became impossible to find around issue 16. My little brother swapped my collection for some Toppers after I left home (he didn't ask me). I was really pissed off at the time. They'd be worth a few bob now. I had no idea he died and was re-invented as a woman until the movie came out.

seriously, the death of... is worth picking up a collected works.
i think it was steve ditko while writing it he was realing with losing his father. and it comes across, for a comic book its truly heart pulling.

I just ordered it ... doesn't look like Dikto was involved. I used to love the artwork by Gil Kane, but it's someone else on this one.

[vurt]

whoever the writer was then?
yeah it was later than gil kanes stuff, very psychedelic, which was great for the space stuff.
this has a slightly more modern, refined graphics.

but these days some of them are almost cgi realistic, which im not too fond of in comics

enjoy, well, bitter sweetly of course

[rewrite history]

You can try and force people to uphold what something originally stood for, but it's a losing cause. Time changes everything, and so has this once simple genre. Just as someone mention the word "producer" is now synonymous with producing music and not the original role of yesteryear. Some people let little things like that bother them, I could careless what people categorize things as. The finished song will always speak for itself.

I mentioned the word producer because it has double meanings now, but you're not even making a decent generalization of the word. Not a soul thinks that Paul Mccartney is a "producer" or the guys in Devo, but most everyone will call Junkie XL one. It's still specifically attached to the finishing process in music.

Your point, is truly off base, and it's a piss poor debate tactic to try to reuse someone's point to assert yours, it looks desperate.

To the point, people messed up punks and metalheads for years, it never made it right, and it didn't change the language to where both musics are considered punk.. it's just a nonsense argument that stupid people call a jazz musician using a DAW an EDM producer, I find it a strange hole you've dug for yourself here.

Now you're talking about the creative process, much different then actually composing a song with structure and arrangement. The long process and development of song craft is the furthest thing from noodling around as you can go.

No, it's not, you're really fond of absolute statements, good luck with that. It's patently absurd actually the amount of moving the goalpost you seem to do to avoid being wrong here. Everyone improvises, noodles around, it's part of the creative process, period.

Most professional songwriters work off notes, journals, phones and other means of jotting down ideas that will later be developed during writing sessions. Which usually doesn't include the DAW at this point, that comes later when you're actually tracking and mixing the song.

Depends, it's not an absolute, there aren't many in music. In fact every single film score musician interview I've ever seen has, a computer and a MIDI controller keyboard front and center in their studio with, believe it or not, a DAW open on it. The process of creation is not something that you can quantify with blithe statements.

In the music industry, time is money. That means noodling around is for dinner, because you'll be eating Ramen noodles as a starving artist until you "make it".

Hyperbole, it's what's for dinner.
Like I said, I interact with a lot of "pro" musicians, and the process is no different than for non pros, it's drive that leads to talent, with a bit of luck that got them there.

I'm really not sure what you're going on about, I think I stated my opinion very clearly, sorry you couldn't follow along, but that's not my responsibility.

[Psuper]

I'm really not sure what you're going on about, I think I stated my opinion very clearly, sorry you couldn't follow along, but that's not my responsibility.

Re-read and level up some comprehension.

One may assume, taking your posts at face value, that you must be a very high-end producer dictating the rules of abbreviations and making massive studies of DAW usage, while we plebs flounder around clueless.

However one may also assume, taking your posts at face value, that you are highly adept at digging your own hole when you are clearly backed against the wall, all due to your own relentless desire to appeal to random internet people and not look foolish.

Take it as a lesson learned and don't lose sleep over it, none of us will.

[rewrite history]

I'm really not sure what you're going on about, I think I stated my opinion very clearly, sorry you couldn't follow along, but that's not my responsibility.

Re-read and level up some comprehension.

One may assume, taking your posts at face value, that you must be a very high-end producer dictating the rules of abbreviations and making massive studies of DAW usage, while we plebs flounder around clueless.

However one may also assume, taking your posts at face value, that you are highly adept at digging your own hole when you are clearly backed against the wall, all due to your own relentless desire to appeal to random internet people and not look foolish.

Take it as a lesson learned and don't lose sleep over it, none of us will.

Obviously you can't follow a simple conversation and exchange opinions without trying to personally attack someone or something. Your record speaks for itself, you were banned from ReasonTalk correct?
https://forum.reasontalk.com/

Sorry, but this is now a waste of everyone's time.

[reggie1979]

All your reapers belong to us.

[thecontrolcentre]

All your reapers belong to us.

[Psuper]

I'm really not sure what you're going on about, I think I stated my opinion very clearly, sorry you couldn't follow along, but that's not my responsibility.

Re-read and level up some comprehension.

One may assume, taking your posts at face value, that you must be a very high-end producer dictating the rules of abbreviations and making massive studies of DAW usage, while we plebs flounder around clueless.

However one may also assume, taking your posts at face value, that you are highly adept at digging your own hole when you are clearly backed against the wall, all due to your own relentless desire to appeal to random internet people and not look foolish.

Take it as a lesson learned and don't lose sleep over it, none of us will.

Obviously you can't follow a simple conversation and exchange opinions without trying to personally attack someone or something. Your record speaks for itself, you were banned from ReasonTalk correct?
https://forum.reasontalk.com/

Sorry, but this is now a waste of everyone's time.

Are you asking me, or trying to look sly like some grand reveal? I was the one who posted about it, Kenni and I don't get along, and I don't hide behind different random accounts (except Reaper's forum, I have a RS cult following me around angry at my independent thoughts). Feel free to look through my posts there though, digest every word of it if you like.

I do agree however that this is a waste of time, which would have been a better response to machines than 'personally attacking him' about his comprehension of your supreme opinions... or maybe its not an attack afterall because its not true in machines case, but is in yours?

[Deep Purple]

Captain Marvel used to be a dude, what happened?

Gender reassignment surgery?

[reggie1979]

Speaking of Marvel, I'm actually looking forward to "End Game" for a couple of reasons.

Obviously it's not "the end" for all those people. Will be interesting to see what the "whisked away" folk are actually up to (since it's been highly publicized that many will return)

And I'll be glad it's ..... the end? Disney has already ruined the Marvel universe, so it's kinda a "last in line" from the golden days.

Will be the first time I've been to the movies since "Star Trek into darkness"

Can I kill someone if they keep checking their cell and ruining it?