Let your musical ideas flow...

[Deep Purple]

Reading the silly hyperbole in this advertisement, sorry, discussion topic

I think that's the main problem with this thread - attempting to show this product as a superlative is a good way to get off on the wrong foot - it's a typical marketing ploy that will fall flat on its face if there isn't an incredible product to back it up (which to me is certainly not the case).

[Cubehog]

I´ve watched the youtube videos and I think the biggest asset for arpado might the thick skin and enthusiasm from the developer.

I´m somehow happy that I don´t know music theory and still can create some memorable lines in my songs. I´d rather listen to honest songwriting efforts on a basic level than to fake complexity without a goal.
Usually I have an idea and it all starts from there and it gets more complex over some time. How would this software help me to get my idea out in a quicker way? I don´t see the benefit.

The videos are somehow a travesty to what is promised. The sounds are "not my cup of tea". So writing marketing language seems to be not as hard as producing a skillfully made arrangement with proper sound design.
I don´t like other companies when they do these salesman speeches but at least some of them can back it up with nice graphics and brand design. Doesn´t make the product more useful, but yeah appearance and such things.
The youtube portion is probably the weakest part. If the result of tinkering with this software sounds like this than I´m not interested in such a product. Sorry.

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Feel free to subscribe at the website, get your FREE copy once it's released and we'll hopefully meet in a dedicated forum here at KVR. I am eager to listen to users contribution and receive feature requests. It's all about feedback and improvement, that's how good software is made.

Unfortunately, some people can't take opposing opinions lightly and your efforts here to convince them is probably a waste of time and energy. They seem to be more interested in disproving you then actually demoing something firsthand and giving you valid and honest feedback afterwards. I'm sure there will be plenty of musicians without all the "baggage" that will try and help your mission to bring better teaching technology to the audio community.

I applaud your efforts, because there are plenty of other companies promising "magic" from their plugins and their true intention is solely to collect more money.

I appreciate the support. It's not indeed collecting money the intention; if I'd want money, I'll take easier ways as I'm a Software Engineer (mainly) and opportunities present every time. Money, on this case, is just a medium to increase the potential of this product.

I'm aware that interacting with people in the Internet thru forums to promote a Software will allow the urge of criticism as well. I'm not afraid of that as long as they provide the kind of feedback I could use to generate a product that can facilitate the work of musicians and producers, or at least let them enjoy this beautiful discipline in unique and meaningful ways.

You sound sincere and genuine in your approach to educate people with your ideas and direction for teaching music. I'm sure it will be widely accepted outside these walls. I wouldn't take the answers you receive here as the general consensus about anything. They are mostly disgruntled hobbyists posing as experts. But, sometimes even their feedback can be found useful.

[IncarnateX]

They are mostly disgruntled non-professional hobbyists posting as experts.

More ad hominems. Pathetic and contradictory, because you act like an expert on people here with superior attitude and teach why they write. You are either trolling or completely without a clue what this is about or what you are doing. So far, your contribution has been nil compared to the criticism given.

[arpado]

They are mostly disgruntled non-professional hobbyists posting as experts.

More ad hominems. Pathetic and contradictory, because you act like an expert on people here with superior attitude and teach why they write. You are either trolling or completely without a clue what this is about or what you are doing. So far, your contribution has been nil compared to the criticism given.

The only criticism which was given is about the marketing approach taken. This is an audio/music forum, and you appear to be music/sound professionals or hobbyists. I'd rather ask for marketing advise in different venues.

No one here has even tested the software, so it's like having a movie critic speak arrogantly about a film that hasn't been released.

Let's try not to make discussions here a typical immature Facebook-like debate and stick to the original proposal. If you either wish to try new stuff, then please allow the software to be released (few days ahead) and judge it by the joy and benefits it could give you.

[thecontrolcentre]

If you either wish to try new stuff, then please allow the software to be released (few days ahead) and judge it by the joy and benefits it could give you.

Perhaps you should have waited for the release yourself, rather than advertising / promoting it here first.

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They are mostly disgruntled non-professional hobbyists posting as experts.

More ad hominems. Pathetic and contradictory, because you act like an expert on people here with superior attitude and teach why they write. You are either trolling or completely without a clue what this is about or what you are doing. So far, your contribution has been nil compared to the criticism given.

The only criticism which was given is about the marketing approach taken. This is an audio/music forum, and you appear to be music/sound professionals or hobbyists. I'd rather ask for marketing advise in different venues.

No one here has even tested the software, so it's like having a movie critic speak arrogantly about a film that hasn't been released.

Let's try not to make discussions here a typical immature Facebook-like debate and stick to the original proposal. If you either wish to try new stuff, then please allow the software to be released (few days ahead) and judge it by the joy and benefits it could give you.

Just for the record, you're trying to rationalize with someone who's been banned from here for the same exact reasons.

[arpado]

If you either wish to try new stuff, then please allow the software to be released (few days ahead) and judge it by the joy and benefits it could give you.

Perhaps you should have waited for the release yourself, rather than advertising / promoting it here first.

Perhaps, but I prefer to have a buzz of what's going to be like publishing here at KVR. Although, I rescued some positive feedback from this discussion and took note on some additional features I'll be adding during the next weeks. So, I think it's somewhat good.

[deastman]

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More ad hominems. Pathetic and contradictory, because you act like an expert on people here with superior attitude and teach why they write. You are either trolling or completely without a clue what this is about or what you are doing. So far, your contribution has been nil compared to the criticism given.
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Not only that, but there is the amateur/professional fallacy at play here. His assertion is that someone who receives monetary compensation for their creative output is somehow more qualified to espouse a position on a piece of music technology. “Amateur” actually means one who practices their craft out of love for it. In this case, he tries to set it up as a pejorative term, as if to imply that anyone with skill and knowledge would have pursued and succeeded at a professional career in the music industry. The reality is that there is a whole vast world of talented and skilled musicians who choose a different career path. Just like on those silly talent shows such as American Idol, they discover these amazing singers and elevate them to celebrity status... while in truth, there are community theater productions all over the world featuring talented and trained performers, many of whom opt for careers as software engineers or schoolteachers or farmers. It isn’t because they lack skill or talent. But of course it is an easy and cheap shot to dismiss the preeminent VST discussion forum on the planet and its tens of thousands of members as being a bunch of disgruntled amateurs without the talent to hack it in the professional world.

[Deep Purple]

If you either wish to try new stuff, then please allow the software to be released (few days ahead) and judge it by the joy and benefits it could give you.

Perhaps you should have waited for the release yourself, rather than advertising / promoting it here first.

Perhaps, but I prefer to have a buzz of what's going to be like publishing here at KVR. Although, I rescued some positive feedback from this discussion and took note on some additional features I'll be adding during the next weeks. So, I think it's somewhat good.

IMO the biggest thing you could take away from this is to not oversell it - it's a very risky strategy at the best of times, and as this isn't even a release, I think the thread title was not well advised.

[FapFilter]

This doesn't have anything to do with snobbists, the promise in the thread title is just absolutely silly
Of course companies promise all kinds of things, but in this case it is just absolutely hilarious, even if you made the best “always 100% hit guaranteed self compositioning tool ever created“, because one grows solely because of gained experience overcoming challenging tasks and not because everything more involving is done for you all the time.
Doesn't matter if you're a race car driver, bodybuilder, dancer, thinker, musician, or anything really.

Ok, one can grow fat or a beard without that much of an effort (though the latter is actually quite a challenge for me )

[arpado]

This doesn't have anything to do with snobbists, the promise in the thread title is just absolutely silly
Of course companies promise all kinds of things, but in this case it is just absolutely hilarious, even if you made the best “always 100% hit guaranteed self compositioning tool ever created“, because one grows solely because of gained experience overcoming challenging tasks and not because everything more involving is done for you all the time.
Doesn't matter if you're a race car driver, bodybuilder, dancer, thinker, musician, or anything really.

I wasn't convinced either about the title of the post, so I changed it. I hope the marketing enthusiasts here are happy now

Thanks for the feedback.

[IncarnateX]

The only criticism which was given is about the marketing approach taken. This is an audio/music forum, and you appear to be music/sound professionals or hobbyists. I'd rather ask for marketing advise in different venues.

You made a choice with that bait titile and further by claiming the dream come true for people into theory. Now plz take some responsibility for it. As you can see, we are more than two who think this is taken it too far, whatever it does, mate. Music theory and musical growth are not things that can be formalized in full scope in a program, only snippets of it. And that is quite okay if it does not claim to aim higher.

It is for your own sake, I say this, it is not at least about expectancy bias: The higher you raise the bar, the higher chance of dissapointment, while keeping it balanced may lead to unexpected appreciation from people.

[IncarnateX]

I wasn't convinced either about the title of the post, so I changed it. I hope the marketing enthusiasts here are happy now

Thanks for the feedback.

You are welcome, mate, and see, it wasn’t that hard at all.

Now, let us talk features, plz. In one of my posts on the former page, I referred to the random parameters beyond velocity of Roland R8 and Elektron’s probability control. Can it do such things or could it be implemented?

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This doesn't have anything to do with snobbists, the promise in the thread title is just absolutely silly
Of course companies promise all kinds of things, but in this case it is just absolutely hilarious, even if you made the best “always 100% hit guaranteed self compositioning tool ever created“, because one grows solely because of gained experience overcoming challenging tasks and not because everything more involving is done for you all the time.
Doesn't matter if you're a race car driver, bodybuilder, dancer, thinker, musician, or anything really.

I wasn't convinced either about the title of the post, so I changed it. I hope the marketing enthusiasts here are happy now

Thanks for the feedback.

Let's all be honest here for a second. It really doesn't matter what the title is around here, you'll always find the negative and pessimistic comments from the peanut gallery. If it's not the title, it's something else. One thing they know how to do really well around here, is dig for reasons and excuses why their opinions are the correct ones.

Now back to the software...