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[experimental.crow]

This doesn't have anything to do with snobbists, the promise in the thread title is just absolutely silly
Of course companies promise all kinds of things, but in this case it is just absolutely hilarious, even if you made the best “always 100% hit guaranteed self compositioning tool ever created“, because one grows solely because of gained experience overcoming challenging tasks and not because everything more involving is done for you all the time.
Doesn't matter if you're a race car driver, bodybuilder, dancer, thinker, musician, or anything really.

I wasn't convinced either about the title of the post, so I changed it. I hope the marketing enthusiasts here are happy now

Thanks for the feedback.

Let's all be honest here for a second. It really doesn't matter what the title is around here, you'll always find the negative and pessimistic comments from the peanut gallery. If it's not the title, it's something else. One thing they know how to do really well around here, is dig for reasons and excuses why their opinions are the correct ones.

It's never about which paint or paintbrush, it's always been about the painter and the painting.

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This doesn't have anything to do with snobbists, the promise in the thread title is just absolutely silly
Of course companies promise all kinds of things, but in this case it is just absolutely hilarious, even if you made the best “always 100% hit guaranteed self compositioning tool ever created“, because one grows solely because of gained experience overcoming challenging tasks and not because everything more involving is done for you all the time.
Doesn't matter if you're a race car driver, bodybuilder, dancer, thinker, musician, or anything really.

I wasn't convinced either about the title of the post, so I changed it. I hope the marketing enthusiasts here are happy now

Thanks for the feedback.

Let's all be honest here for a second. It really doesn't matter what the title is around here, you'll always find the negative and pessimistic comments from the peanut gallery. If it's not the title, it's something else. One thing they know how to do really well around here, is dig for reasons and excuses why their opinions are the correct ones.

It's never about which paint or paintbrush, it's always been about the painter and the painting.

As you can see, they simply have too much time to waste on Internet arguments. Anyways, enough time wasted for me.

[arpado]

This doesn't have anything to do with snobbists, the promise in the thread title is just absolutely silly
Of course companies promise all kinds of things, but in this case it is just absolutely hilarious, even if you made the best “always 100% hit guaranteed self compositioning tool ever created“, because one grows solely because of gained experience overcoming challenging tasks and not because everything more involving is done for you all the time.
Doesn't matter if you're a race car driver, bodybuilder, dancer, thinker, musician, or anything really.

I wasn't convinced either about the title of the post, so I changed it. I hope the marketing enthusiasts here are happy now

Thanks for the feedback.

Let's all be honest here for a second. It really doesn't matter what the title is around here, you'll always find the negative and pessimistic comments from the peanut gallery. If it's not the title, it's something else. One thing they know how to do really well around here, is dig for reasons and excuses why their opinions are the correct ones.

It's never about which paint or paintbrush, it's always been about the painter and the painting.

As you can see, they simply have too much time to waste on Internet arguments. Anyways, enough time wasted for me.

No time wasted. Let me contact you once the latest details are finished and I offer you a Tester license, which enables all features without any restrictions in case you are interested. I'm interested in hearing your feedback regarding the usage and impressions you have while using it. Thanks for bringing some maturity to this topic.

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No time wasted. Let me contact you once the latest details are finished and I offer you a Tester license, which enables all features without any restrictions in case you are interested. I'm interested in hearing your feedback regarding the usage and impressions you have while using it. Thanks for bringing some maturity to this topic.

That sounds fantastic, I would very much appreciate the opportunity. Thank you and have a great day.

[arpado]

Feel free to subscribe at the website, get your FREE copy once it's released and we'll hopefully meet in a dedicated forum here at KVR. I am eager to listen to users contribution and receive feature requests. It's all about feedback and improvement, that's how good software is made.

Unfortunately, some people can't take opposing opinions lightly and your efforts here to convince them is probably a waste of time and energy. They seem to be more interested in disproving you then actually demoing something firsthand and giving you valid and honest feedback afterwards.

Disproving what? You're just making stories up about people being negative about what was said and offering nothing of any substance whatsoever. I'm not personally going to beta test this for free with a totally crippled demo, I have no need for the product at all. The claims were pretty outlandish, but maybe this product is appealing to you and you can't stand the critical assessments of the marketing. Maybe you have no real thoughts but plenty of time and eagerness to talk shit about people, and fabricate shitty little characteristics in your shitty little portrayal of their intent, in full project of how you ACTUALLY are.
For starters "can't take opposing opinions lightly"...

Please correct your post. The order of the replies are wrong. I haven't said what it looks like I'm saying in your reply.

And let's please stop. This is totally going off topic. It seems like a childish fight.

P.S. the demo restrictions were modified.

[jancivil]

Yeah, sure, the guy was childish as f**k but you see him as being on your side so no problem. I stick up for myself and you need to color it like that. You mischaracterized me recklessly (this is on point, note well) and did the same quality he did. Your judgement of maturity is of zero moment to me.

[arpado]

Yeah, sure, the guy was childish as f**k but you see him as being on your side so no problem. I stick up for myself and you have some shit to say.

It's not about sides and I never went thru disrespectful paths with anyone here. Don't mix the conversations. Let's mix some music instead

What's wrong with people on this forum? It's starting to look as the WRONG place to promote a product. Sadly.

[jancivil]

It is but the real reason is people are more critical than what the outlandish marketing counts on. What's wrong with you to have to paint remarks as being anti-technology, a crusade against composition aids... It's intellectually dishonest. It's weak, it's petulant. You think you're above people after pulling that?

I never went thru disrespectful paths with anyone here
No, you did with me (and with IncarnateX), I just described it. Respect entails trying to see who you're talking to, not making up a story about them.

[arpado]

A better bet to grow as musicians will be to learn how to deal in teh chords and teh scales by your own hand FIRST.
A better bet to grow as a musicians will be to learn how time works when it's you doing it FIRST, rather than fancy quantization features taking all the experience, the rich experience of that out of your hands for convenience and being in a hurry to put something out there.

helping you achieve beautiful melodies and soundful rythms with just a few steps, while setting you free to focus on other areas of the production process.

PRODUCAHS RULE OK
your 'rythms' will be soundful in no time



But sure, pick up that crutch before you can walk and never worry about learning to walk. Just get busy with THA PRODUCIN

This is everything wrong with today's fake musicians all in one place, so thanks for that.

Well, those are your claims. If this doesn't sound like anti-technology, anti-computer aided software, then please tell me what is it trying to do some efforts to keep this conversation in a constructive path.

[jancivil]

"As you can see, they simply have too much time to waste on Internet arguments."

"Thanks for bringing some maturity to this topic"

You took sides. Own it.

[jancivil]

A better bet to grow as musicians will be to learn how to deal in teh chords and teh scales by your own hand FIRST.
A better bet to grow as a musicians will be to learn how time works when it's you doing it FIRST, rather than fancy quantization features taking all the experience, the rich experience of that out of your hands for convenience and being in a hurry to put something out there.

helping you achieve beautiful melodies and soundful rythms with just a few steps, while setting you free to focus on other areas of the production process.

PRODUCAHS RULE OK
your 'rythms' will be soundful in no time



But sure, pick up that crutch before you can walk and never worry about learning to walk. Just get busy with THA PRODUCIN

This is everything wrong with today's fake musicians all in one place, so thanks for that.

Well, those are your claims. If this doesn't sound like anti-technology, anti-computer aided software, then please tell me what is it trying to do some efforts to keep this conversation in a constructive path.

You're actually going here after I went into my actual views. Seriously, who's the child here?

You AGREED with this, now it's something to take out of all context and weaponize against me as though to prove your strawman of me is the truth, versus what I actually think and described clearly enough in this thread?

It states my opinions about a culture which relies on tools to avoid becoming a musician but pretend to have music they produced, what does it look like it was about.

It literally says nothing anti-computer through itself; and given that I have described to you how I do rely on a computer DAW, you're clearly being deceitful trying to prop up that strawman some more.

I was generous enough to say "I'm being too mean" and engage you on a more affirming level after this, but no.

[jancivil]

Before its release, its magical features brought excitement, and curiosity among the modern era’s musicians, producers and beginners alike. Beyond doubt, it will soon earn the heart of artists and producers across the globe with its melodic compositions, scales, chord progressions and progressive melodies features. In short, it’s a reinvented way to compose music with the help of technology.

Giving people chords and melodies, and even compositions apparently, is magical and reinvents the way to compose.
Yeah, I go on about this sometimes here, people that never did music get the notion there's nothing to it because of the promise provided them by this kind of thing.

I absolutely stand by 'if you never walked and you begin with a crutch, embrace the crutch for the rest of your days', or however I phrased it this time. Perhaps shockingly to you, some people come to it already composing. As I told you, I saw the future by the middle of the 90s and prepared myself for it, I developed ways of using the DAW sequencer and editing as opposed to a tape recorder. I read up on MIDI, I studied what it would require to get a server farm hooked up, I was very interested in the Synclavier which was the sign of the future for me.

I'm not opposed to starting off with it, either, or as a learning tool; I said what I said which is more targeted. I found that opening paragraph a joke and that seems to have been conveyed. However I've been around for a while and I know people do use that sort of a tool in lieu of doing the work to obtain the knowledge.


grammar

[arpado]

It states my opinions about a culture which relies on tools to avoid becoming a musician but pretend to have music they produced, what does it look like it was about.

What is an instrument then? Isn't a tool used by musicians to express sounds and harmonies? Do we have to stick to traditional tools and manners? Or can we let people choose their own instruments to express themselves?

[jancivil]

You're still arguing with your own strawman. It's disrespectful to tell a person what they think.

You just twisted my mere use of the word 'tools' to what you believe is an advantageous position argumentatively. It's intellectually dishonest; in doing shit like this you're doing yourself and your prospects a disservice here.

I said nothing at all regarding instruments. If you can't glean from what I said that I use the computer not only as an instrument but an orchestra, you've let your anger get the better of you, that's just being stupid.

[thecontrolcentre]

@jancivil I totally agree with you.