What DAW Do You Hate?

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What DAW Do You Hate?

Poll runs till Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:16 am

Ableton Live
35
6%
Acoustica Mixcraft Pro Studio
2
0%
Apple GarageBand
24
4%
Apple Logic Pro
41
7%
Ardour
10
2%
Avid Pro Tools
52
9%
BandLab Sonar
12
2%
Bitwig Studio
17
3%
Cockos Reaper
62
11%
Harrison Mixbus
9
2%
Image-Line FL Studio
37
7%
Magix Acid Pro
2
0%
Magix Samplitude Pro X
10
2%
MOTU Digital Performer
4
1%
MuTools MuLab
2
0%
PreSonus Studio One
12
2%
Propellerhead Software Reason
15
3%
Renoise
3
1%
Steinberg Cubase
25
5%
Steinberg Nuendo
3
1%
Tracktion Software Waveform
10
2%
Hate is a negative emotion I don't give into
168
30%
 
Total votes: 555

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Michael L
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2596 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from the End of the World as we Knowit

Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:38 am

dupont wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:26 am
Michael L wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:36 am
dupont wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:21 am
you can purchase a 1500 $ I7 windows laptop, Reaper 60 $ and lot of third party plugin
Yes, but then all you have is a Windows i7 laptop with Reaper that needs a thousand dollars of plugins. It costs the same to spend your plugins money on a better MacOS i9 computer with Logic that needs no plugins.
But you can choose which plugins you need and better than Logic stock plugins.
That's a good way of framing the decision: Should one spend a thousand dollars on better plugins, or a better OS and hardware?

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KVRian
909 posts since 30 Dec, 2014

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:57 am

Or you could pick up a DAW for £170 during Blackfriday with an included suite of plugins and features other DAWs don't have, buy a few third party plugins and a desktop PC that is much cheaper and more powerful than an equivalent laptop at a higher price. Giving you the best bang for the buck to performance ratio ;-).
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Hink
Rad Grandad
28283 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:00 pm

but then when it comes to fresh installs less third party is quicker back to making music...I dont use logic but my daw does have awesome fx and this is indeed one benefit for me
Albert Einstein may have been a genius but his brother Frank was a monster

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Bombadil
KVRAF
3149 posts since 31 Aug, 2013 from Far From the Twisted Reach of Crazy Sorrow

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:33 pm

If you want to do orchestral stuff with stock Logic instruments, you will be limited. I've spent a few €€€€s on 3rd party fx and instruments, and they are definitely better than native Logic stuff.
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jancivil
KVRAF
17901 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:41 pm

$1000 on plugins like that's a big f**king deal. LMAO

last guitar I bought cost more than that

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Hink
Rad Grandad
28283 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:06 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:33 pm
If you want to do orchestral stuff with stock Logic instruments, you will be limited. I've spent a few €€€€s on 3rd party fx and instruments, and they are definitely better than native Logic stuff.
that's why one size doesn't fit all :wink:
Albert Einstein may have been a genius but his brother Frank was a monster

chk071
KVRAF
19334 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:09 pm

Hink wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:00 pm
but then when it comes to fresh installs less third party is quicker back to making music...I dont use logic but my daw does have awesome fx and this is indeed one benefit for me
Ableton?

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Michael L
KVRAF
2596 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from the End of the World as we Knowit

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:34 pm

jancivil wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:41 pm
last guitar I bought cost more than that
That's one vote for spending >$1000 on hardware

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jancivil
KVRAF
17901 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:18 pm

I got most of my investment back when I sold it
I think I paid 1200 and got a thou back

It's the first guitar I bought, at 53.
I was always given guitars. I can't relate to spending money like that. It was the last legs of my journey with the thing. Beautiful tribute vintage strat.

From that same windfall I spent 10s of thousands on soft instruments. A single instrument, meh. I may have been spoiled.
This was nowhere in the vicinity of the first strat I owned, albeit it was prettier by a long ways.

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Deep Purple
KVRian
1125 posts since 9 Jan, 2015 from NY, NY

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:47 pm

Michael L wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:34 pm
jancivil wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:41 pm
last guitar I bought cost more than that
That's one vote for spending >$1000 on hardware
Well I'll add a vote. I have a piano that cost almost $2,000, but it is worth every penny.
Sweet child in time...

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Tj Shredder
KVRAF
2211 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:30 pm

An acoustic piano? Thats either a steal or it must be bad...

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Deep Purple
KVRian
1125 posts since 9 Jan, 2015 from NY, NY

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:45 pm

Tj Shredder wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:30 pm
An acoustic piano? Thats either a steal or it must be bad...
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical ... index.html

About $1,699 plus tax and shipping came to close to $2,000
Sweet child in time...

rbx11
KVRist
30 posts since 25 Feb, 2019

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:21 pm

Every DAW I have used has had something especially annoying about it.

dupont
KVRian
727 posts since 23 Jun, 2007

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:11 pm

I saw a report yesterday on French TV whit a famous EDM producer in his studio.
He works with analogue gears and ... pro tool.
So I think this pool does not reflect the reality as pro tool is the 2nd most hated DAW.

machinesworking
KVRAF
1581 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:09 am

dupont wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:11 pm
I saw a report yesterday on French TV whit a famous EDM producer in his studio.
He works with analogue gears and ... pro tool.
So I think this pool does not reflect the reality as pro tool is the 2nd most hated DAW.
Actually this is exactly how I would expect it to play out.
Pro Tools is at least in the USA in every major studio it's ubiquitous, and it was at one point really really expensive. It's not a bad program at all, but it's still not cheap, and it's own format AAX is usually hiked up price wise compared to the same plug in in VST or AU format. So it's not at all surprising that it's not popular here.

Reaper has gotten more and more popular among home studio nerds, it's very quirky and can be really frustrating to wrap your head around at first. It's powerful once you spend time with it. It also has zealots, there are people who swear by it and can't imagine why anyone else would use anything else, so they come across like Krishnas or Jehovahs Witnesses. This leads to people hating the DAW.

Logic was cross platform until Apple bought it's parent company Emagic, and dumped the Windows version. Obvious reasons for the hate there.

Fruity Loops or FL Studio started out as a step up from Trackers, and it's got a lot of quirks leftover from that. It's also PC only, with all kinds of stops and starts on a possible OSX version. It has a few zealots as well, but I'm betting it's mostly the odd quirk that makes things 'different' when doing something that's not and issue at all in DAWs like Logic and Cubase that has this high hate ranking.

I'm more surprised at how little hate Cubase and Studio One got really. Not because they suck, but because they're popular and people do switch away from them at times.

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