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EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:05 am

It's pretty simple as is already.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:32 am

Urs wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:45 am
Ploki wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:42 am when i was still using serum i wanted to make my own WT editor in Max which would be more commands based. I don't find Serum's editor intuitive or practical, especially for longer tables. Scripting seems a refreshingly simple approach.
I would appreciate an export to WAV so one could additional treat the script's result externally.
You can load and save .wav from within the script (Import/Export)

Oh, my bad. Sold

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:53 am

Urs wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:30 pm A thorough wavetable design tool would certainly make Hive a very complicated and unaccessible softsynth. I don't want to go there.

Dune 3 has a WT Editor that I am able to use. Hive has .uhm scripts which I am not able to use since I'm not a math geek and I don't want to go there.

Which is more complicated and "unaccessible" ?

I'm not saying Hive needs a WT Editor since I can use Dune 3's editor to create WTs for Hive but I just wanted to point out "unaccessible" can mean different things to different people.

Anyway I'm sure Hive 2 will be a wonderfully inspiring upgrade for those of us with even a modicum of creativity.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:16 am

Teksonik wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:53 am
Dune 3 has a WT Editor that I am able to use. Hive has .uhm scripts which I am not able to use since I'm not a math geek and I don't want to go there.

Looks a lot like Serums WT editor, the strongest point being additive synthesis aspect of it... In which case, i would just use an additive synth

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:19 am

Ploki wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:16 am
Teksonik wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:53 am
Dune 3 has a WT Editor that I am able to use. Hive has .uhm scripts which I am not able to use since I'm not a math geek and I don't want to go there.

Looks a lot like Serums WT editor, the strongest point being additive synthesis aspect of it... In which case, i would just use an additive synth

Does your additive synth have the ability to sweep wavetables ? That's the functional difference between a waveform and a wavetable.

HcDoom · Post by **HcDoom** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:25 am

EvilDragon wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:05 am It's pretty simple as is already.

What matters is the sound, will I get the sound I want or not. I somehow doubt I would. Maybe Urs can think about it for Hive 2.1 or something.

PieBerger · Post by **PieBerger** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:35 am

HcDoom wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:25 am
EvilDragon wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:05 am It's pretty simple as is already.
What matters is the sound, will I get the sound I want or not. I somehow doubt I would. Maybe Urs can think about it for Hive 2.1 or something.

Get in-line behind Z3

carrieres · Post by **carrieres** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:35 pm

Teksonik wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:19 am Does your additive synth have the ability to sweep wavetables ? That's the functional difference between a waveform and a wavetable.

what is the difference between sweeping wavetables and playing waveform ?

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:50 pm

carrieres wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:35 pm
Teksonik wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:19 am Does your additive synth have the ability to sweep wavetables ? That's the functional difference between a waveform and a wavetable.
what is the difference between sweeping wavetables and playing waveform ?

Really Chris ?

Certainly you know the difference between playing a single waveform and sweeping through a table made up of several waveforms.

I use "Sweeping" as a rather generic term. It could mean using an LFO or MSEG to sweep though the table over time or simply using Random to WT Position to trigger a different waveform in a table each time a key is pressed and many other things in between.

carrieres · Post by **carrieres** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:04 pm

Thanks you Tek, i knew that you will be surprised by my question, but i try to imagine what can be done with wavetable synthesis, wavesequencing a waveform composed of waveform or granular synthesis.
i am still in love with Ultran even if i am not working with it anymore

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:23 pm

Teksonik wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:19 am

Does your additive synth have the ability to sweep wavetables ? That's the functional difference between a waveform and a wavetable.

Yeah actually, to a degree at least.

(i use alchemy)

im saying this because one of the ideas i had for a DIY WT editor in Max was to add a karplus-strong processor (which is doable in Hive scripting now), or processing with distortion, etc.

What i'm trying to say is, scripting allows for a lot of versatile WT work, while Additive style editor has the same caveat as any harmonic based additive synthesis engines, while WTs allow more flexibility than an Additive style WT editor can offer. Additive is just an aspect of it

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:43 pm

carrieres wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:04 pm Thanks you Tek, i knew that you will be surprised by my question, but i try to imagine what can be done with wavetable synthesis, wavesequencing a waveform composed of waveform or granular synthesis.
i am still in love with Ultran even if i am not working with it anymore

The best Wavesequencing synth I've ever used was Wusikstation 7. It allowed larger wave files instead of just single cycle waves.

Some of the sounds I got out of it were amazing but I don't even have it installed anymore.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:50 pm

surreal wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:47 am
pdxindy wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:39 pm
Yorrrrrr wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:08 pm Wavetable creation seems rather pointless (to me). Most of the time I just end up with similar sounding wavetables because I don't know what I'm doing. I prefer when the plugin includes a bunch a useful wavetables made by experts and then I do the rest with the plugin.
Creating wavetables by drawing waveforms does seem like an exercise in futility (except very basic stuff which is usually covered by factory wavetables)... but creating wavetables by resynthesis yields consistently useful results for me. Not that I am advocating that Hive should do that. I already have tools that can and I can import them into Hive. So I'm good to go
Which tools do you use?

Icarus... Serum can do so as well though I like the results better with Icarus.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:53 pm

Teksonik wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:53 amDune 3 has a WT Editor that I am able to use. Hive has .uhm scripts which I am not able to use since I'm not a math geek and I don't want to go there.

Of course you can use the Uhm scripts... just select one and use it

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:54 pm

Ploki wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:23 pm
Teksonik wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:19 am Does your additive synth have the ability to sweep wavetables ? That's the functional difference between a waveform and a wavetable.
Yeah actually, to a degree at least. (i use alchemy)

Oh I thought you meant an Additive synth not a synth that also has an Additive feature. (I love Alchemy).

Ploki wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:23 pmscripting allows for a lot of versatile WT work,

But if scripting is over someone's head and they can't use it then it's not versatile at all.

Dune 3's WT Editor allows Formulas which I'm not good at either and while it might not have all the power of scripting at least I can use it so therefore is more versatile to me.....

Anyway I was originally commenting on the dichotomy of "I don't want to make Hive complicated" while adding scripting which is ultimately more complicated than a GUI editor at least to me. It just seems like a contradiction in my mind.

Anyway I don't want to get in a pissing match Hive and Dune 3 are both my favorite synths and make a powerful combination. I would not want to do without either one.

So is anyone willing to share some of those Hive Wavetables created by scripting ? I'd love to hear them in action. If you'll post some free wavtables I'll post some free patches made with them while we wait not so patiently for Hive 2.

Hive 2 is coming!