Hive 2 is coming!

[Urs]

Most people here are musicans and / or composers and not programmers

Are you suggesting we should have "hidden" the scripting engine so Hive could only use uhm for factory content?

But what would be very usefull in Hive would be a resynthesis function, which could be hidden in the Preference page. Only resynthesis a sample and of course save the result. Thats all.
Could you please add this in an Update ?

In my opinion, pretty much all resynthesis engines fail to be enjoyable as much as wavetable editors do. I reckon we'd have to devote two developers for 2 years each onto the task to make it not disappoint. We'd need to get public funding for that, adding another year before we get started. And also, like I said numerous times, we would have to add sample-based content. Which is expensive to both create and license. Hive would become as expensive as Omnisphere.

[Ploki]

frankly i only made wavetables from samples so far.

Are you willing to share a couple ? I'd love to hear what the possibilities of scripting can be when pushed.

WAVs - so, not scripting, yet.

[Ploki]

Most people here are musicans and / or composers and not programmers, therefore they don't like to use a virtual music instrument with a programmer language where you have to learn by heart 100 or more expressions and how and where to use it whithin the script.
I also don't like a programmer script in a VSTi because it's not musical and not intuitive.
Thats also the reason why no other company offers this.
The only scripts I use a lot are scripts in Reaper, but I don't program it.

But what would be very usefull in Hive would be a resynthesis function, which could be hidden in the Preference page. Only resynthesis a sample and of course save the result. Thats all.
Could you please add this in an Update ?

Frankly, you could argue in favour of Nexus style rompler with the exact same arguments.

Apple offers scripting (and environment) in Logic, Reaktor is really just a huge scripter (but still runs Monark), etc... Kontakt? Scripting madness.
So, NI at least offers this, but that doesnt mean you need to know Kontakts scripting language in order to use it. But you can sure as hell do a lot more with it if you do. (same goes for reaktor)

If its unintrusive and not the most prominent or a mandatory function to master, i dont see why omit it.

Also, you can approach hive the same way - dont program it, just use WT scripts by others


+1 About what URS said about resynthesis. Most of it is disappointing, Alchemy resynthesis engine needs a lot of trial and error and preprocessing to sound useful.
Also i dont really see the point of resynthesis in a wavetable synth - sample, pitch to get correct chunk size, and load. (Ive done this in Hive)
I dont know what could one possibly gain with a resynthesis engine in a WT synth. A wavetable resynthesized from a sample? Makes sense in an additive synth. A WT synth? What do you hope to achieve with that?

[pdxindy]

Dune 3 has a WT Editor that I am able to use. Hive has .uhm scripts which I am not able to use since I'm not a math geek and I don't want to go there.

Of course you can use the Uhm scripts... just select one and use it

Ok Ok I meant I can't create my own Wavetables with scripting......

Anyway Formulas and Scripting just seem like the domain of math geeks to me. I have no math talent and can barely count to 21 unless I'm naked......

Okay, go into Hive and select a wavetable under FM called DX Piano.uhm. Set it to One-Shot mode and play some notes (no filter, no FX, no unison, just raw wavetable and it sounds lovely).

Now go into Dune 3 and create that same sound using the editor. Good luck with that. Good luck trying to create pretty much any of the Uhm scripts by hand in a wavetable editor. In theory it can be done... in practice, no chance.

Post some examples just sweeping through the raw wavetable of some of your manually created wavetables.

[pdxindy]

It first and foremost allowed us to create factory wavetables with absolutely stunning quality.

Ok if that's the way you want to spin it......

Anyway let's hear some new "stunning quality" wavetables. Really curious to see them in action.

The built in tables are nice but I guess "stunning" is just as subjective as any other term.

The built-in Uhm scripts in 1.2 are stunning... because there is a remarkable clean clear quality to them.

[pdxindy]

Most people here are musicans and / or composers and not programmers

And most people don't make Reaktor Ensembles, Kontakt Sample Libraries etc... and those musicians use those tools just like they can use the Hive Uhm scripts without ever coding one.

[cytospur]

So is anyone willing to share some of those Hive Wavetables created by scripting ? I'd love to hear them in action. If you'll post some free wavtables I'll post some free patches made with them while we wait not so patiently for Hive 2.

look for cytospur post in this thread :
viewtopic.php?p=7372421#p7372421

I see code but no WTs. I was more addressing the request to those who have posted the virtues of scripting here in recent posts. I just want to hear what they come up with and see what kind of patches I could do with them.

But when I see a script like the one Cytospur created....

Info "Z-plane filters\nBy Mark Holt\n"
NumFrames=256
Seed=1111111
Wave target=aux1 "2*phase*pi"
Wave target=aux2 "sin(1*aux1+3*sin(3*aux1)/(1-0.9*cos(1*aux1)))+0.5*bandpass(rands,0.15,0.5)"
Wave start=0 end=63 "aux2"
Envelope curve=logarithmic L0=0 T1=0.02 L1=2 T2=0.1 L2=2 T3=0.13 L3=0.25 T4=0.5 L4=0
Spectrum "x*env((phase)^(table+1))^0.5"
Wave start=64 end=127 "aux2"
Envelope curve=exponential L0=0 T1=0.01 L1=12 T2=0.01 L2=-1 T3=0.096 L3=2 T4=0.2 L4=-1 T5=0.7 L5=0
Spectrum "x*env((phase)^(1-table))"
Wave start=128 end=191 "aux2"
Envelope curve=linear L0=0 T1=0 L1=-0.5 T2=0.27 L2=2 T3=0.08 L3=1 T4=0.4 L4=2 T5=0.25 L5=0
Spectrum "x*env((phase)^(table+1))^3"
Wave start=192 end=255 "aux2"
Envelope curve=logarithmic L0=0 T1=0 L1=0.1 T2=0.54 L2=-2 T3=0.1 L3=1 T4=0.2 L4=-2 T5=0.01 L5=0.25
Spectrum "x*env((phase)^(1-table))"
Spectrum lowest=0 highest=0 "0"

Normalize Metric=peak Base=Each

My tiny brain certainly wants to argue that this is making Hive "too complicated"......

I'll update the script in that thread (and the others) so that it exports a wavetable that you can use in Hive and elsewhere if that helps.

[AnX]

DX Piano?

wouldn't you just use an FM synth for that?

[Elektronisch]

Most people here are musicans and / or composers and not programmers

Actually being here for years i got the image that alot of users are quite the opposite, plugin horders and filter authenticity diggers (not in a bad way)

[pdxindy]

DX Piano?

wouldn't you just use an FM synth for that?

you could... and you could use Hive... which has become quite versatile.

[Teksonik]

Okay, go into Hive and select a wavetable under FM called DX Piano.uhm. Set it to One-Shot mode and play some notes (no filter, no FX, no unison, just raw wavetable and it sounds lovely).

No, it sounds common at best in the state you set above.

Good luck trying to create pretty much any of the Uhm scripts by hand in a wavetable editor. In theory it can be done... in practice, no chance.

Dude I'm not arguing with you but all I asked was for some of the "experts" who do get the scripting system to post some of their work to show those of us who don't use the scripting system that the results are worth the effort. Perhaps they are worth it.....post examples and convince us all.

I'm not attacking Hive in any way so put the shields down Captain Kirk. I've already said twice today alone that I love Hive. I never asked for it to have built in WT Editor nor do I want it to have one. I never said Dune 3's WT Editor is superior. I only said that I can and have made WT's using it while I have no idea how to make them using Hive's scripting engine.

I only commented on the statement that a WT Editor would make Hive "too complex" while the scripting engine is obviously far more complex since it was designed for "experts". Although it might be and should be much more powerful it's not something I have the time or willpower to dive into.

So again if anyone is willing to share some WTs made with Hive's scripting I'll use them to make some patches and share them here while we're waiting for Hive 2 to drop.

I can't guarantee the resulting patches will be "stunning" but I can guarantee they'll be worth every penny of free.........

[Sound Author]

[MorpherX]

Most people here are musicans and / or composers and not programmers

Are you suggesting we should have "hidden" the scripting engine so Hive could only use uhm for factory content?

But what would be very usefull in Hive would be a resynthesis function, which could be hidden in the Preference page. Only resynthesis a sample and of course save the result. Thats all.
Could you please add this in an Update ?

In my opinion, pretty much all resynthesis engines fail to be enjoyable as much as wavetable editors do. I reckon we'd have to devote two developers for 2 years each onto the task to make it not disappoint. We'd need to get public funding for that, adding another year before we get started. And also, like I said numerous times, we would have to add sample-based content. Which is expensive to both create and license. Hive would become as expensive as Omnisphere.

There seems to be a missanderstanding !
I have not suggested sample import but resynthesizing
samples into wavetables like in Icarus or Serum.
I have very good results with Serum even with problematic
high frequence sounds but it could be easier to use and sometimes better results.
Therefore an aproach from an other company like U-He could maybe offer even better results.
Also Avenger, as far as I have read, will offer an 1.5 Update with a reworked resynthesis engine and a wavetable editor.
So it's on the road by many companies.

Regarding scripting:
It's of course a personal point of view that I don`t like scripts and scripting in a vsti. Therfore I have converted all scripts with Hive into .wav files and deleted all scripts.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

There's been this recurring argument since Hive 1.2 came out that just doesn't make sense to me. I'm paraphrasing, but what I've basically seen variations of is this:

1. I like Hive because it's simple
2. I don't want to learn a scripting language
3. I know I don't need to learn scipting to benefit from it
4. But because I know Hive has scripting I feel like it's complex now
5. ...even though I know I don't have to learn how to script to benefit from it

Just doesn't make sense to me.

I've played around by editing scripts other people have created, and importing .wav files into Hive via the scripts, but honestly, I just stick to the excellent, built-in wavetables. No need to do anything but treat them as extra oscillator waveforms with some unique features not available in the standard osc's.

[pdxindy]

Dude I'm not arguing with you but all I asked was for some of the "experts" who do get the scripting system to post some of their work to show those of us who don't use the scripting system that the results are worth the effort. Perhaps they are worth it.....post examples and convince us all.

There are enough examples included with Hive 1.2 already... plus there are a couple threads in the u-he forum with a bunch of different scripts in them if anyone wants more. Nobody needs to spend their time convincing anyone. The quality and versatility of the Uhm scripts is self evident... just use what is already there.